----------------------------------- NOF Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:39 am Robocop dismantled ----------------------------------- I find this scene to be more painful to watch than Murphy getting shot up by Clarence Boddiker and co. You end up wanting to knock the fuck out of Hob and the rest. And what annoys me about it is that Robo gets out of a car that's been blown up with a rocket no problem, but gets his hand shot off easily half an hour later. And you'd think that, with the new armour, he'd at least have a bit more strength to resist. I don't know, is that just me? ----------------------------------- Josh Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:56 am ----------------------------------- You know, I've never though of that. True Robo does seem unscathed in the beginning but like you said does get dismantled. Then again, I don't know if the explosion in the beginning would blow him apart. Sure it flipped the car but it didn't blow it apart. Compare that to the explosion of his cruiser when Cain's gang capture him to see what I mean. Maybe it was just an oversight. But a good point nonetheless. ----------------------------------- Fummelcop Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:41 pm ----------------------------------- I think this scene is very odd. It really impressed me when i was a kid, but now i think, why didn`t they remove his head? The gangsta-kid even mentions that he wants to see robo`s brain. Yet they take off his legs and helmet and when they get to see his only vaulnurable spot, they just stop and take him to a police station. Most criminals are not the smartest, but this stupid? ----------------------------------- meathead316 Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:08 pm ----------------------------------- his hand was shot at by a fully automatic high calibre weapon... I totally agree with fummelcop though, how dumb were they to just dismember him, they shoukd have done a proper job and taken his head off too, but nooooooooooooo stupid criminals left him alive and what happens, he gets better and gets his revenge! in a way its very similar to the 1st film in that he is killed once, brought back to life and kills those responsible. come to think of it, he almost dies in robo3 too..... ----------------------------------- NOF Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:04 pm ----------------------------------- Well, when he's back in the lab it's noted that the back of the head is badly damaged so maybe they tried. Also, it shouldn't matter what type of weapon it is, his hand shouldn't get blown off that easily. Having said that, I seem to recall that in Miller's original script, they ripped his face off to reveal a Terminator like exo skeleton. If I was to redo R2, I'd keep the scene in but replace Robo with one of the prototype R2's. ----------------------------------- ChAnOoD Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:35 pm ----------------------------------- Itīs a nasty scene. I agree with you, about how easy seems to "cut" Roboīs hand with a gun and make him just cables and pieces. Also, how weak he looks in that scene. Ok, he had some electric gun right in his chest, but in the first one he was shot by almost the whole Detroit PD and he still wanted to live. Here they catch him with a magnet and he does NOTHING to scape or survive to that. I think it doesnīt adds anything new to the RoboCop character, Miller just followed the script of the first movie: "Ok, they kill him around 30 minutes in the movie. Iīll do that. Then they shot him in the hand. Cool! The rest is him being just a mess. Ok, Iīll change bullets for some tools and done". ----------------------------------- Josh Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:52 pm ----------------------------------- I don't like the magnet they use to move him and the chains they use to hold him. Are you telling me that Robo can't break chains even though 10-15 minutes before he did just that? ----------------------------------- Johan Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:57 pm ----------------------------------- I can see the idea with dumping Robo alive at the police station as a message from Cain. As in "look what we did to your machine." Of course they should have finished the job but as all movie villains they are overconfident in their victory. I agree on the chains thing. It is like Robo was paralysed lying there. He didn't seem to do much effort in getting free. ----------------------------------- meathead316 Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:55 am ----------------------------------- what i dont like is that as mentioned robo does nothing to break free. the bit on the magnet is blatently a dummy so no movement at all. but surely if he struggled then there is no way they could hav chained him down. but once they did, i dont think robo could have broken free, they where pretty hench chains. ----------------------------------- Josh Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:21 am ----------------------------------- but once they did, i dont think robo could have broken free, they where pretty hench chains. Look at the chain Robo rips off of the plant where they capture him. That was a hefty chain. Also, he busts down a reinforced door in the first film (I always think of the multiple attempts as a form of intimidation) and you see him (not much mind you) begin to push the girders off of himself that Nash drops on him. There Series did a good job of showing Robo's strength (moving cars, surviving a car compactor). It's just a shame It's not canon so I don't really count it but it could potentially give you an idea of his strength. ----------------------------------- RoboDemise Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:40 pm ----------------------------------- I'm going to try to get ignorantly scientific for a second. I think his hand got shot off by a tripod mounted huge caliber machine gun. Here's where I think the physics come into play. What would be stronger, Robo's armor at the wrist (a crucial pivot point and probably not so well protected), or the motor or servo asembly or whatever it is that makes his shoulder move. I say this because I wonder how strong whatever holding his arm in place would be. He's decently heavy and I am sure he is well planted and balanced on the ground so that high velocity high caliber projectile is essentially hitting a wall that does not give when it is hit. Or his shoulder or footing, anything really, would give or be moved as the bullet hit, thus wasting alot of the energy from the bullet. Or if he remained perfectly stiff he would take the full force of the bullet as if it was hitting a brick wall. I can see this easily taking his hand off at the wrist. Maybe not on a more protected part but definitely the wrist. As far as them not taking his head... Well we wouldn't have any more movie if they did that would we? Rocket to the car at the beginning was never a direct impact To Robo and the car itself took away alot of the energy instead of ol' Murph. The G's he took in that car flipping were no problem for him. Also I forgot to say when you guys are talking about him not moving when he is being magnetized and such, keep in mind that he just took a 2 ton crane hook to the face. Although they portray it poorly in the movie he is obviously dazed. They should have shown a hud shot of his viewer being scrambled or something like when hob shot him. He still has a brain encapsulated in some type of housing. WHen it gets knocked off the walls of whatever it is held in there is going to be brain trama. He definitely would have been unconscious or dead had it not been that he was a Fucking RoboCop! Cut the guy some slack. :lol: ----------------------------------- Deus Ex Robo Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:07 pm ----------------------------------- Also when chained flat on a surface, leverage comes into play. You'd think he'd still be able to muscle his way out of it, but my suspension of disbelief covers the problem with that excuse. ----------------------------------- meathead316 Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:30 am ----------------------------------- i agree with demise about the pivot pints being weak areas and a high calibre weapon would have no trouble taking his hand off. one other thing about this scene that bugs me though. we say that all these criminal are really dumb for not finishing robo off when they had the chance, but whos the dumb one that walked into the dumb criminals crappy trap?! they could have made it a bit more elborate and not make robo look as much he blatently could have avoided the situation if he didnt walk in there thinking he well 'ard. ----------------------------------- DoktorNo Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:45 pm ----------------------------------- I think, that rushed adaptation of original Frank Miller's script is here to blame... ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:42 pm ----------------------------------- RoboDemise summed up the hand severing well. People compare being engulfed in fire inside a car or flipped in a car to a tripod MACHINE GUN shooting the weak spot in Robo's arm - the connection of wrist and hand As for the scene itself, I love it. Its a great poetic rhyme to the first movie where Robo goes through the same thing - being tortured, dismembered and played with, but this time in an even more sadistic manner (splashing him with his own blood asking how it tastes) As for that weird criticism that they didnt smash his head - there wouldnt be a movie after that. For me its as silly as saying how come no one shoots Robocop in the mouth _____________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- RoboDemise Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:45 pm ----------------------------------- RoboDemise summed up the hand severing well. Thanks! I thought so too. :lol: ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:49 pm ----------------------------------- Also, it shouldn't matter what type of weapon it is, his hand shouldn't get blown off that easily. That would make the character absolutely silly and unrealistic. Its not Superman, he gets hurt by large caliber weapons. ED's automatic weapons ripped him to shreds. Tripod machine gun is such powerful weapon that can easily blow the whole top of the car in a second and rip it to shreds to the point it becomes an unrecognizable object. Theres nothing wrong with Robo's hand beiong severed on the joint while shot with such massive gun Itīs a nasty scene. I agree with you, about how easy seems to "cut" Roboīs hand with a gun and make him just cables and pieces. Also, how weak he looks in that scene. Ok, he had some electric gun right in his chest, but in the first one he was shot by almost the whole Detroit PD and he still wanted to live. Here they catch him with a magnet and he does NOTHING to scape or survive to that. ??? HUGE difference here. He was being shot with bullets in the first, in here he was electrocuted and had power drained from him. Apples and oranges _____________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- RoboDemise Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:54 pm ----------------------------------- And everybody forgets the massive hook we was knocked down with immediately before he was magnetized. I posted it already but he would more than likely be unconscious or completely... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auDv6cf2PBM ----------------------------------- meathead316 Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:09 pm ----------------------------------- Agreed most people forget he is part man and has a brain, so being smacked in the head with a massive metal hook could easily give him a concussion and/or knock him out briefly. every hero needs to be seen as being mortal, having some sort of weakness. If robocop was truely invulnerable to all types of bullets and explosives then there would be no suspense, every time he came up against a bad guy you would already know the outcome will be "robo cant be hurt, he will win" he needs this vulnerability, it not only makes for a better movie, but its a contant reminder that under all that metal, he is still merly a man. ----------------------------------- Maxlee Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:10 pm ----------------------------------- Ah yes. This storyline from RoboCop 2 that I almost think about everyday. I like how Hob pushes down Robo's arm so he can tie it down with chains. It's the same when Robo bobbles about in Robo1 when the rapist victim tries to hug him or something. Is it the actors forgetting Robo is a heavy machine ? :lol: Why is Angie's electro gun unexplained ? The way it functions make it nothing else other than a "anti-RoboCop gun". What else ya gonna do with it ? Shoot it at a car and electrocute the car ? :roll: I know there's a deleted scene where Cain goes cyborg shopping at Faxx's place (that sounds odd actually) so did Faxx provide them with the trademarked anti-RoboCop gun to take out Robo ? Did at that point in time Faxx was already anti-RoboCop ? Who threw the crane thing against Robo's head ? How did that person know how to aim it directly at Robo's head ? A little misstep and he would have beheaded a gang member with that thing :lol: Why are the scenes littered with continuity errors ? - Robo's hand shot of, later seen attached to the forearm - anti-Robo taser gun claws its way into Robo's chest, damage later dissapears - drilled off leg falls to the ground despite being chained down - both legs attached after one is drilled off - Hob says "you cracked it" when later on we see nothing is cracked - Hob saying he wants to see brains (is he Hannibal Lecter?) but later on apparently he didn't get his wish - Oil sprayed on Robo's face later dissapears - drill marks on Robo's chest suggest they drilled him again after he was already taken apart, so what was the point ? - Robo's helmet and gun magically disappear, two iconic items that Robo should have found in Cain's Elvis area as priced items. (perhaps so Robo can retrieve this gun and then wield TWO auto9's in the following shootout) - What's the point of Robo's arm monitor thingy ? Are we to believe this sofisticated looking equipment already existed back in Robo1 ? They always hook up Robo to a bunch of equipment and a ton of monitors display all kinds of Robo info, what's the point of having a small monitor in his arm ? During the dismemberment, Cain is seen taking Nuke. Are we to believe he slips into a trip and doesn't really care anymore what happens to Robo ? Speaking of, Cain seems quite distanced from this whole ordeal, it's Hob who steps on Robo's chest as the victor and declares all sorts of wishes he wants fulfilled. Cain doesn't care much does he ? I always imagine it that Robo slips into Robo-coma after he screams and the scene changes to the police station. That way, we aren't left wondering what else happens to Robo, and you can sorta imagine the badguys being dissapointed that they "broke" RoboCop and he can't respond anymore to what else they wanted to do with him. Thus why bother scooping his eyes out or whacking his face or whatever, he won't feel it anymore. Still doesnt really explain why they atleast didn't behead him. In Robo1 we see the technicians switch Robo on and off at whim. Why is all they do is hang dismembered Robo on two wires and stare at him all day ? I've read the Frank Miller comic. In it, Robo fights off those cop goons from the 3rd film, what were they called, and apparently debris falls on Robo. Next thing we know is Robo hanging @ OCP being all wires and junk. Afterwards he gets repaired and gets the crazy directives. I think the director/writers for Robo2 wanted to keep the crazy directives in, but had to find another way for Robo to end up @ OCP damaged. So they came up with the scenario that we got. Although it does help in giving Cain a score against our hero, thus making the end battle when our hero prevails more satisfying, I do think it does a disservice against Robo. What writer thinks it is a good idea to have our hero, a cyborg, getting chained to a table and torn into pieces ? Isn't that a bit off the wall here ? What happened to anti-armor weapons, cornering Robo with 2 ED-209's, landmines, and what else have you. More probably later. ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:39 pm ----------------------------------- Ah yes. This storyline from RoboCop 2 that I almost think about everyday. I like how Hob pushes down Robo's arm so he can tie it down with chains. It's the same when Robo bobbles about in Robo1 when the rapist victim tries to hug him or something. Is it the actors forgetting Robo is a heavy machine ? :lol: This is serious nitpicking about technical limitations. Obviously Weller isnt a robot so he will react to impacts. Why is Angie's electro gun unexplained ? The way it functions make it nothing else other than a "anti-RoboCop gun". What else ya gonna do with it ? Shoot it at a car and electrocute the car ? :roll: I know there's a deleted scene where Cain goes cyborg shopping at Faxx's place (that sounds odd actually) so did Faxx provide them with the trademarked anti-RoboCop gun to take out Robo ? Did at that point in time Faxx was already anti-RoboCop ? I would hate it if it would get explained. It wouldve been as stuppid as the movies are nowadays when everything has to be laid out like in school and explained like to dummies. The explanation for the weapon and its technical details is not essential to the plot, especially in a science fiction movie involving cybernetics. Same way we dont need explanation how Robo has Murphy's voice or how does he poop or why doesnt he has his mouth covered Going back to the gun, as you hinted yourself its something from OCP. Seeing how many cyborgs they create and how they go crazy, its no wonder for me at all they would create an anti cyborg/robot tazer gun Who threw the crane thing against Robo's head ? I dont see any reason to be puzzled here. Cain had men scattered throughout the place hidden everywhere. And obviously someone was waiting to throw it at the right moment, like Hob waiting with machine gun. How did that person know how to aim it directly at Robo's head ? Its a huge hook and the space was narrow, Only an idiot would miss a robocop or a person there, especially when the hook was going down to such low level A little misstep and he would have beheaded a gang member with that thing :lol: He would have to duck. And not only Robos not fast but it was going down so fast no one would be able to duck it when it came so suddenly. And what misstep? Cain was strategically positioned. There was only one way to Cain, you cant go wrong here Why are the scenes littered with continuity errors ? - Robo's hand shot of, later seen attached to the forearm - anti-Robo taser gun claws its way into Robo's chest, damage later dissapears - drilled off leg falls to the ground despite being chained down - both legs attached after one is drilled off - Hob says "you cracked it" when later on we see nothing is cracked - Hob saying he wants to see brains (is he Hannibal Lecter?) but later on apparently he didn't get his wish - Oil sprayed on Robo's face later dissapears Again, serious nitpicking about technical/editing errors. They happen in every movie and theyre not essential to the plot. They dont have budget to reshoot some scenes and didnt have CGI to fix (trivial) technical errors, so they used what they wanted for the scene the way it was designed from an editorial standpoint - drill marks on Robo's chest suggest they drilled him again after he was already taken apart, so what was the point ? Simple. Torture. Dismembering body, dancing on the body of a cop. Having fun with it, in an even more psycho way than Bodicker's gang did with Muprhy - What's the point of Robo's arm monitor thingy ? Are we to believe this sofisticated looking equipment already existed back in Robo1 ? They always hook up Robo to a bunch of equipment and a ton of monitors display all kinds of Robo info, what's the point of having a small monitor in his arm ? By those questions I see youre really trying to dislike the movie and force as many faults as possible. This is a very weird question, tow which the answer is - it looked cool and underlined the idea that Robo doesnt have muscles but all sorts of cybernetic stuff in his body. Its simply a red alert monitor for technicians that shows system failure. Cmon. Its a nicely design device like the compartment for leg, both showing Robos body is full of stuff like that. It only showed that fake metal biceps has functionality in it During the dismemberment, Cain is seen taking Nuke. Are we to believe he slips into a trip and doesn't really care anymore what happens to Robo ? Speaking of, Cain seems quite distanced from this whole ordeal, it's Hob who steps on Robo's chest as the victor and declares all sorts of wishes he wants fulfilled. Cain doesn't care much does he ? cain never cared much anyway. He wanted to get rid of him. It was done the moment he was hooked to the magnet. The rest was just sadistic fun he left to other. It mirrors Bodicker letting others play with "another" cop in the first one . Still doesnt really explain why they atleast didn't behead him. Again, youd have no movie afterwards. As stupid as saying why no one shoots Robo in the mouth In Robo1 we see the technicians switch Robo on and off at whim. Why is all they do is hang dismembered Robo on two wires and stare at him all day ? Aplles and oranges. In this case theyre leftovers of a brain that can go off anytime. He has to be kept alive by electric shocks and is on the verge of dying. They cant disconnect him since his body is a junk and the brain needs support since the fused systems from the body are damaged What writer thinks it is a good idea to have our hero, a cyborg, getting chained to a table and torn into pieces ? A writer that wants to humanize the character and show a crucifixion of him for the second time, even as a powerful cyborg. A writer who wants to underline Murphys still hurting human, a writer who wants a character behind the helmet, not a walking robotic tank-man Isn't that a bit off the wall here ? What happened to anti-armor weapons, cornering Robo with 2 ED-209's, landmines, and what else have you. What do you mean what happened to it? Cobra canon is reused in the movie but almost useless against Cain _____________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- RoboPimp Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:45 pm ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild...that is beautiful. You truly deserve that "Robo 2 Loyal" medal beneath your name. Thank you for that post that really made me re-think this scene and see it in a deeper context. ----------------------------------- chaos one Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:32 pm ----------------------------------- I enjoy this scene for certain reasonings. I wonder things too though. Why did Robo malfunction so bad when his hand came off? Is it cause the data spike was so important to his main systems? How did Angie know to aim so perfectly with the electro gun? I think Robo lost most power from being electrocuted therefore he lost his strength and his power to move a lot. He could barely stand up after shocking Angie. It's interesting the first things the guys go for after tying him down was his legs instead of his upper body. Also didn't someone have the original script or something with Angie shooting off Robo's face? Can someone repost that? What I like about the comic adaptation was how sorta different it was. Maybe even more brutal? http://i.imgur.com/SV2n9.jpg ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:52 pm ----------------------------------- The shooting off the hand mirrors what Bodicker did to Murphy the first time around. severed/shotoff hand isnt something to brush off, it may not leave any permanent damage (and it didnt, he forgot the hand soon after), but there will be an initial shock/pain As for Angie aiming, well, shes fluent with guns so I dont se why wouldnt she be with this one. She was also the one shooting the gas grenade so Im guessing shes a very good shot As for starting with his legs...well, again the reson is torture. As Joker said "dont start with the head, the victim gets all fuzzy". It was also the legs that Bodicker started with. He hit murphy with a shotgun sending him to the floor. So in short, they wanted to torture him, play with him while killing him so they started with legs first, something that wouldnt kill him. Then moved to torso and ended on the head. That for me is a great rhyme to the first story and also adds more pathos to the character who has to go through the same thing again, and its also great because most movies show robots as invincible ITEMS, yet here Robocop is shown as also being helpless sometimes and as a hurting human character in pain _____________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- Maxlee Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:43 am ----------------------------------- You defend your movie well, KidGoesWild :yessir: But don't get me wrong here. This scene has been close to traumatising me for life. Seriously. RoboCop used to be my hero, but now whenever I see him I think about how he'd look like being cut in half... I simply can not agree with the decision to portray the movie's hero in such a way. You can't really compare it to Murphy's killing. Back in Robo1, Murphy was our established main character, yes, and we were rooting for him, yes. But he was not yet a hero. After his transformation to RoboCop and him asskicking about, he became a hero. The opening of RoboCop 2 has him kicking ass and taking names for half an hour. That's our hero. And then this scene happens. I understand the need to humanize our character, to show him vulnerable. It's a basic movie trope actually. hero gets kicked down, hero gets better, hero defeats obstacle. But was it really necesary to have him beaten in such a way that everyone has to defend the movie by saying "the villains stop at a point because otherwise there wouldn't be a movie anymore". Isn't that just lazy scriptwriting ? That's why I was bringing up anti armor weapons and ED209's and what not. If the scriptwriter really wanted Robo damaged, there were a ton of options available which might have been better watchable and made more sense in the long term. So yeah. I HAVE to pick the scenes apart and look for mistakes, errors and awkward scriptwriting. It's my way of dealing with this traumatising experience. I have to view the scenes as simply scenes filmed by a film crew who wanted to shoot an action movie, otherwise I'd be weeping my eyes out every night over Robo getting stripped to pieces. Chaos One, do you also have the page showing the news broadcast where Cain tells the people "they sent their mightiest weapon, RoboCop, after us, and we sent it back in pieces", or something along those lines. It helps shed some light as to why Cain's crew didn't butcher his head into smithereens and thus ending the movie right there and then. Supposedly these comics are made from early scripts and drafts and things like Robo grabbing the robbed store owner by the neck, Robo visiting his grave, and Robo visiting Faxx's lab are in the comic, so it's safe to assume this mediabreak snippet was in the script at some point in time. Wish it was kept in, it ALMOST completes the dismemberment scenes and stops making us wonder why and how. ----------------------------------- Josh Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:58 am ----------------------------------- I'll tell you what, the comic doesn't look too bad. Robo seems to be showing more pain which I like because maybe Robo is a bit over confident when he goes for Cain. The jackhammer on the face is brutal, and the final line of "Hey! I think we broke it, guys!" is sadistic. Cain and his gang had fun. ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:40 am ----------------------------------- Y If the scriptwriter really wanted Robo damaged, there were a ton of options available which might have been better watchable But this has been the standard set by the first movie. The world of the first 2 movies is very brutal and sadistic, and the events very graphic and disturbing. Plus the Robocop world was never meant to be technically accurate or fully logical, its in a large part a satire. A violent, heartfelt and action packed, but still a satire _____________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- chaos one Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:41 am ----------------------------------- This one? http://i.imgur.com/iYuWu.jpg also, man Angie looked really really hot in the comic http://i.imgur.com/nDmCV.jpg ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:55 am ----------------------------------- also, man Angie looked really really hot in the comic She did in the movie too! :) http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/Batman/angie-1.png _____________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- chaos one Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:04 am ----------------------------------- Indeed she did. I guess if any bad guy were to bring Robo to his knees I'm glad it was a very hot lady like Angie. ----------------------------------- chaos one Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:27 am ----------------------------------- Also if anyone has any legit complains about that scenes it's not the nitpicks of disappearing claw marks or right hand being reattatched. It's that Why didn't Robo see anything? Why did he not see the mounted machine gun, it's pretty plain to see. Why not spot any of the guys hiding and shooting at him? Also since I watched this scene way too many times I think I can figure out how the sequence of damage done to Robo. -Asian guy with Sledgehammer to mid section? -Looks like Catzo with hammer and chisel either on the chest or most likely the section under his chest plate while Angie leans in. You can see the asian guy in the back using a blowtorch on Robo's knee or leg, Hob watches him do it. -There's sort of a jump cut Again Catzo chisel but on the visor now while everyone leans in and watches, he finally cracks it, damaging Robo's vision for good. Catzo stops cause he's tired before breaking any more of it. -Catzo readies the jackhammer on Robo's leg. It doesn't work really to break it off. Hob says try at the joint that connects to his hip and he does, it works breaking through the cables or whatever connecting him. They probably unchained it ahead of time and it falls to the floor twitching, you can see the blowtorch burn marks on his leg. -Asian guy brings a industrial strength saw on the mid section , it seems to be working but the asian dude stops anyways for some reason. -(CUT FROM MOVIE) A jump cut In deleted scenes you can see Angie playing with the detached foot of Robo, smiling and showing it to Robo before Hob takes it away from her. -Again another jump cut, Catzo is chiseling again, Hob is holding up a cable spraying oil or whatever, it sprays on Catzo (this probably the cable came from Robo's open mid section) He turns and sprays the oil on Robo's face. Asian guy is seen below with a industrial strength drill drilling on some part of Robo's lower section. It stops but i'm guessing they just de-helmeted him and so on. I wish I could see every little thing they do, out of curiousity. ----------------------------------- RoboPimp Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:49 am ----------------------------------- It's that Why didn't Robo see anything? Why did he not see the mounted machine gun, it's pretty plain to see. Why not spot any of the guys hiding and shooting at him? Maybe he got cocky. After all, he's only...human (well, you get the point.) ----------------------------------- Josh Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:43 am ----------------------------------- Maybe he got cocky. After all, he's only...human (well, you get the point.) I always believe in this scene Robo is over confident, taking time in his kill and suffering for it. ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:43 pm ----------------------------------- Maybe he got cocky. After all, he's only...human (well, you get the point.) I always believe in this scene Robo is over confident, taking time in his kill and suffering for it. yeah, plus I think so does the audience thinking Robos invincible and will destroy anytime he comes in. So thats also whats great about it, that both the udience and Robo got a painfulo surprise and doze of "reality" _____________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- RoboPimp Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:56 pm ----------------------------------- One of my favorite things about Robocop 2 is how his personality has changed since the end of the first Robo. At the start of Robocop 2 it seems he's finaly starting to feel somewhat comfortable in his skin, but at the same time he's dealing with his inner demons in a much more personal way than the first Robocop. When he targets Cain and his gang he actually feels like the hero he's been made out to be. That's why this scene is so harrowing. We want to feel like Robocop has finally arrived as the indestructible legend, and when he is violated, both by Cain's gang and then Dr. Faxx, it's painful. For me watching this series of events is worse than watching Murphy get shot to death because the torture here is so much more sadistic. ----------------------------------- chaos one Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:04 pm ----------------------------------- It's that Why didn't Robo see anything? Why did he not see the mounted machine gun, it's pretty plain to see. Why not spot any of the guys hiding and shooting at him? Maybe he got cocky. After all, he's only...human (well, you get the point.) True. This panel kinda confirms it http://i.imgur.com/4IRPq.jpg I sorta wish this was in the movie rather than Angie just turning and running. http://i.imgur.com/0CrgB.jpg it's nice to have a little interaction ----------------------------------- Yrtti Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:59 pm ----------------------------------- Its weird that sometimes robo seems to be almost indesctructible,(Falling off a 100 storage skyscraper,getting shot off like a 50 swat team members,getting shot and smacked around by a two huge robots,getting smashed by tons of metal without losing a single limb) And then cain and his crew takes him apart in seconds with some crappy drill and saw. And Why robocop would walk into a pretty obvious trap with all his tracking radar and thermal tech? I Have loved robocop 2 since i was a small boy,but this scene has always pissed me off for so many reasons! :D Sorry for my bad english byt the way(im from Finland :) ----------------------------------- Johan Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:15 pm ----------------------------------- Why robocop would walk into a pretty obvious trap with all his tracking radar and thermal tech? I guess it is just one of those things Robo always does. He did it as Murphy in the beginning of the first movie and then later as Robo in the drug factory. He also did the same thing with the Rehab HQ in RoboCop3. It seems to be Robo's main strategy. Just walk in. Sometimes it works, other times not so much. ----------------------------------- Yrtti Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:29 pm ----------------------------------- Why robocop would walk into a pretty obvious trap with all his tracking radar and thermal tech? I guess it is just one of those things Robo always does. He did it as Murphy in the beginning of the first movie and then later as Robo in the drug factory. He also did the same thing with the Rehab HQ in RoboCop3. It seems to be Robo's main strategy. Just walk in. Sometimes it works, other times not so much. Yea thats a good point, Its just strange that robo doesent seem to care much about anything when he walks inside the factory but a one scene before he fools the bad guys with the car explosion like he would know they are planning something for him and seemed a lot smarter and carefull. ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:36 pm ----------------------------------- Why robocop would walk into a pretty obvious trap with all his tracking radar and thermal tech? I guess it is just one of those things Robo always does. He did it as Murphy in the beginning of the first movie and then later as Robo in the drug factory. He also did the same thing with the Rehab HQ in RoboCop3. It seems to be Robo's main strategy. Just walk in. Sometimes it works, other times not so much. Yea thats a good point, Its just strange that robo doesent seem to care much about anything when he walks inside the factory but a one scene before he fools the bad guys with the car explosion like he would know they are planning something for him and seemed a lot smarter and carefull. Well he didnt know he was being watched. He thought he fooled them but the joke was on him. They were watching him all the time and they were strategically placed As for robo surviving falls and all that and getting dismantled by thugs. the big difference here is that they were targeting joints. They even adress it in the movie that the drill doesnt really do much so Hob sugested joints _____________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- RoboPimp Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:30 am ----------------------------------- Its just strange that robo doesent seem to care much about anything when he walks inside the factory but a one scene before he fools the bad guys with the car explosion like he would know they are planning something for him and seemed a lot smarter and carefull. I've always thought Robo was a little suicidal. Or at the very least he doesn't give a fuck. I mean, he was killed in about the most horrible fashion a cop could, and then denied death and brought back for an indefinite amount of service so I would understand if he's a bit bitter. ----------------------------------- Deus Ex Robo Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:22 pm ----------------------------------- BAM. ----------------------------------- chaos one Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:02 am ----------------------------------- I just thought of something. How can the claw of that gun Angie had , how can the claw tear into Robo's chest? ----------------------------------- RoboPimp Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:08 am ----------------------------------- I just thought of something. How can the claw of that gun Angie had , how can the claw tear into Robo's chest? It takes place in the future, a world with technology more advanced than ours. Case closed. ----------------------------------- chaos one Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:10 am ----------------------------------- Ah okay ----------------------------------- Yrtti Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:11 pm ----------------------------------- I just thought of something. How can the claw of that gun Angie had , how can the claw tear into Robo's chest? And how come angie didnt die when robo electrocuted her from his arm? I mean It was shock powerful enough to throw her trough the air. :opps: ----------------------------------- Zentron Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:27 pm ----------------------------------- And how come angie didnt die when robo electrocuted her from his arm? I mean It was shock powerful enough to throw her trough the air. :opps:As somebody who has been electrocuted with enough charge to throw them through the air, the fact she survived is not that unbelievable! ----------------------------------- Paddy Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:45 pm ----------------------------------- She also looked like she really hurt her neck when she landed, (or should I say the stunt woman did), but a few moments later she's standing over Robo giving him dirty looks whilst he's getting pulled apart. Guess she felt fine after all! ----------------------------------- chaos one Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:27 am ----------------------------------- She also looked like she really hurt her neck when she landed, (or should I say the stunt woman did), but a few moments later she's standing over Robo giving him dirty looks whilst he's getting pulled apart. Guess she felt fine after all! lol yeah. Actually I thought she was holding her hands cause they hurt. ----------------------------------- KidGoesWild Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:44 am ----------------------------------- I just thought of something. How can the claw of that gun Angie had , how can the claw tear into Robo's chest? Umm, well I think its rather obvious and the answers in your post - its metal claws. Shot off from a pressure gun, why wouldnt three sharp claws cling into metal plate? I just thought of something. How can the claw of that gun Angie had , how can the claw tear into Robo's chest? And how come angie didnt die when robo electrocuted her from his arm? I mean It was shock powerful enough to throw her trough the air. :opps: Remember Jurassic Park? Timmy got a much bigger shot and was shot of like a rocket for meters away. Electric shock like this can be dangerous but not fatal. C'mon now, we're really looking for holes here ______________________________________________ http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/ ----------------------------------- RoboPimp Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:51 am ----------------------------------- I don't understand why this specific scene of Robocop being dismantled is itself being dismantled more than Robocop himself was. ----------------------------------- NOF Mon May 20, 2013 6:09 pm ----------------------------------- Rewatched R2 for the first time in ages last night. Still find this scene horrific. And it's still annoying to see him not fight back. Although the scrambled POV suggests the crane did a bit of damage, he still looks strong enough to rip the chains off. It would have been more palatable if shots of Ellen crying outside the police station and Holzgang (?) telling him he is "simply a machine" were interspaced with the POV shots. That way, it would suggest he has lost the will to live. ----------------------------------- Sideromelane Tue May 21, 2013 7:12 am ----------------------------------- The justification for the magnet probably has a lot to do with the myth of magnets disrupting/destroying computers, remember this movie was made when computers were still very much in their infancy compared to what we have now. And while it is true it actually takes an enormously powerful magnet (far more powerful than available to the average Joe sitting at home poking his floppy disks with fridge magnets), something like a scrapyard electromagnet would not only be able to immobilize Robo (all those steel parts pinned flat) but the EM field being generated could also induce some hefty stray currents in his chassis. More than enough to short out any induction coils in his circuitry, any motors in his limbs would likely cease to function, or blow massive current spikes back through to his powerplant/battery. 'Magnets' disrupting electronics is somewhat of a myth, but it *is* scientifically plausible a sufficiently powerful electromagnet could shut down/paralyze Robocop, given the technology of the era. I also assumed (need to rewatch the scene to be sure) that he was strapped to a magnetic bench too, while they were breaking him up. A friend of mine used to work in a sheet metal cutting plant, and it was important to leave anything metal including (especially) piercings in the lockers, otherwise the bench could rip them straight out. Essentially it's just a workbench styled version of the crane magnet... EDIT: On reviewing the scene, it's not a magnetic bench, but those are some hefty chains and he's clearly already damaged. If I'm correct about what the script SAYS happened, then the electromagnet in the crane would have severely damaged/fried most of his servos/motors and blown out most of his computer support. in other words, strapping him down with chains is more of a precaution than a necessity. Also that taser weapon they hit him with must have packed some serious juice in it's own right. ----------------------------------- Raymond Tue May 21, 2013 1:26 pm ----------------------------------- I have no problem with them taking Robocop apart and being able to keep it down, but the real problem is why they risk going to a police station and toss it out, no matter if its a strike going on. It's a risky operation for any criminal and it taunts the police.If they wanted to make a statement why not crucify it somewhere or put it's head on a spike or some other nasty thing, then let people stumple upon it whenever they find it. That's what a character like Cain had done rather than dumping it back to the police. I think deep within most viewers felt that Robocop got away easy considering how ruthless Cain is (remember the scene with the dirty cop) They could have taken him apart in the factory but why not have Lewis and some cops show up and rescue Robocop in a tense scene exactly when they intend to kill it for real, for example by crushing the torso in a compactor or some other heavy machine. Could have been some real tense stuff and removed that "cop out" Robocop got. I agree the script wasn't good. I don't like when characters are given a free card by the villain. If the villain wants to play and torture the victim and then ends up paying for it due to some unforseen event (hero escapes or gets rescued) it's one thing. But having all the time in the world like Cain's gang and still give a free pass: NOT OK. In some sense the only reason Robocop is alive is that they had mercy. And considering Robocop's kill record I think he would be the last to get mercy from any gang in Detroit. Criminals tend to hate cops big time. A supercop would get super-hate if that makes any sense. ----------------------------------- Johan Tue May 21, 2013 1:47 pm ----------------------------------- From Cain's point of view it is more of a show of power. As shown in a deleted scene, and the comic adaptation, Cain is fearlessly mocking the police by giving them Robo back in pieces. Sure, you could debate whether they should have finished the job but much like Clarence leaving Murphy for dead maybe they figured it was just a matter of time or that the half dead and in pain cyborg was a more powerful statement. http://robocoparchive.com/forum/robo2-dismantled.jpg ----------------------------------- artuditu Tue May 21, 2013 3:01 pm ----------------------------------- Thanks Johan. The message is much clear in that comic strip, it could have worked great in the film; it is a message to the whole city, not only the police, as if the city would fill with dismay and become terrorized by Cain when they see what he did to Robo (plus the police strike, there isn't really that feeling of a city in panic as we would get in films like "The Dark Knight" / "The Dark Knight Rises"). Cain is somewhat hinted in the film as a kind of terrorist/ideologist that uses the Media to launch messages (see his video in the TV News at the beginning, and the bombing of a drug rehabilitation center). But we really see that idea developed again only when Hob offers to rescue the city with drug money. By the way, if Robo was a superhero R2 would stablish his kryptonite... A big magnet! Another argument for the pro-2014 fans :lol: ----------------------------------- Raymond Tue May 21, 2013 3:45 pm ----------------------------------- yeah but if that was the intention they could have spelled it out. Have Cain taunt the police with some radio speech or what not. For the first movie I always thought Boddickers final shot in the was the "coupe the grace". He even says something like -Okay, fun's over and then shot's him straight in the head. That's a 100% intended kill imo. The fault there is Lewis. The gang leave her both as a lose end and as a prime witness for some reason. But to stay on topic the good part about the disassembly scene is that it highlights that Robocop can be in a lot of pain. Touching on the same discomfort level as the kill of Murphy in R1. The hero completely helpless and sadistic criminals toying around. But Alex Murphy showed much bravery and defiance in that scene in R1 while in R2, as discussed, Robocop more or less just lies down and takes it because of the damage. I agree the scene had been better if Robocop struggled against the chains/magnet with the very last of his power. ----------------------------------- chaos one Tue May 21, 2013 6:09 pm ----------------------------------- I would've at least liked to see them prying off the helmet. And definitely more angie, hell the entire movie needed more angie ----------------------------------- Maxlee Thu May 23, 2013 9:31 pm ----------------------------------- I've been tinkering to create a topic about this subject for a long time now, but I saw this topic bumped and remembered that I already replied to great detail in this topic, but mostly about the filming mistakes they made in the movie. I just want to establish one more time how the dismemberment scenes messed me up for life. Like most of you I was just a little kid when the first RoboCop movie came out. Although I remember all too well me and my brother being too scared to watch the Murphy killing and to a lesser extent zombie-Emil, it was still our favorite movie and RoboCop was our favorite character. I still remember being in some videostore or shop and it had a copy of Robo2. On the back of the case was a picture of a dismembered RoboCop (with a comment saying "RoboCop is almost defeated") and a picture of Lewis in front of RoboCain. I asked my brother if he thought this badass looking robot was the reason RoboCop was "almost defeated". I can't remember how stoked I was when Robo2 aired on the television for the first time, but needless to say the whole family gathered round to watch more ass-kicking from our cyborg hero. I vaguely remember my mother saying something like "that's so sad" at the sight of dumped RoboCop parts, and I think I responded with "ah they'll fix him anyways" at that age already figuring out that the movie (and entire franchise!) would end right there and then if Robo would seriously die. At the end of the movie my brother asked how I liked the movie, me replying that RoboCain was pretty much the coolest thing ever, and we both agreed that everything else prior to that in the movie was forgettable. But the damage had been done. Damage to my mind. RoboCop 3. RoboCop the Series. RoboCop the Cartoon. Every friggin single episode. I was DEAD afraid something like this would happen to RoboCop again. That the badguys would capture him and tear him apart. I now realise that RoboCop being damaged is one of the most recurring plots scriptwriters came up with for the character, and being as over the top as Robo2 is, the movie pretty much made "RoboCop is damaged" as extreme as you can get. It couldn't get any worse than what Cain's gang did to him. Regardless, I was still afraid that everytime I watched a new episode RoboCop would go through a similar experience. Afterwards, for years, I avoided Robo2 as the plague. Whenever I saw in the TV magazine that Robo2 would air, I would get creeped out and scared shitless that my brother or parents would accidentally tune in and watch it, where as I would basically have to hide in my room, with my hands on my ears going LALALA this isn't happening. Eventually there almost wouldn't go a day by that I wasn't thinking about the dismemberment. Eventually growing older and with Youtube at hand, I decided to brace myself and watch this scene once again, facing my demons if you will. I guess I have to say it wasn't as bad as it had gotten in my mind. Like I posted earlier in this topic, I tried to "lessen" the impact of the dismemberment, by viewing it from a movie making view. Hence my nitpicking of all the errors. While watching the scenes I noticed this and that mistake, which kinda reset my mind into a "see it's just a movie scene made by movie makers" standpoint. Still. I'm not healed. Without this scene, I would still be a RoboCop junkie. I would have RoboCop posters on the walls, RoboCop figures displayed, and all that good stuff. I do like RoboCain, so I do own the Kotobukiya RoboCain, but I don't display it, I keep it hidden deep away. Why? Because it reminds me of RoboCop 2. Which in turn reminds me to RoboCop being chained to a table getting taken apart brutally. I still like the first RoboCop movie, but in secret. When I lie on bed with my eyes closed, I automatically start to think about RoboCop strapped to a table. I imagine ways they could have improved the plot (have Lewis and a police squad track RoboCop down with the location tracker and free him from Cain's gang) and I imagine ways in which they could have gone totally gore and make RoboCop 2 into a total horror gore fest (Cain wants priority in his gang removing RoboCop's helmet. Upon doing so, Cain climbs on the table and sits on RoboCop's chest. He takes a stiletto knife out of his jacket. From RoboCop's point of view we see Cain maniacally cut, carve and stab into RoboCop's face, as the screen fills red. When RoboCop's remains are dumped in front of the police station, the display is too horrific to type out. Somehow RoboCop's brain survives and with movie magic and the power of science-fixes-everything, RoboCop gets better anyhow.) So that's how it stands today. Here I am, 29 years old, typing this out. No longer horrorfied of the dismantling scenes, but as a young kid, it left a scar behind to this day. I try to laugh at RoboCop2 for all it's plotholes and errors and mistakes to soften the impact it once did to me, but as you can tell, it's still with me. RoboCop as a character has been defiled to me. Whenever I see RoboCop, I see him strapped to a table ready to nearly die. I've been wanting to type something like this out for a very long time. Seeing this topic bumped made me try this opportunity. I'll probably get laughed at and flamed and the reason this topic goes to hell, but I care for one thing. That typing this out is another step towards healing. Peace.