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artuditu

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:41 am


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The film stars Arnold Schwarzenegger, Emilia Clarke (Game of Thrones), Jason Clarke (Zero Dark Thirty), Jai Courtney (Die Hard 5), Dayo Okeniyi (The Hunger Games), Byung-hun Lee (GI Joe), Matt Smith (Doctor Who) and J. K. Simmons. The film is scheduled to be released by Paramount Pictures on July 1, 2015.

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http://teenagethunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Terminator2.jpg

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These last ones are stuntmen and not the actual actors.



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I've read JK Simmons would be Dr. Silberman.


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Sin_Valor

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:19 am



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I don't really have high hopes or expectations for this film...although I'm praying it doesn't end up being shitty like Rise of the Machines...god that sucked.


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artuditu

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:26 am



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I don't know details about the plot yet, but I find brilliant the idea of a Terminator which skin and human tissue ages, even if it's just an excuse to have Arnold back it would never have occurred to me. It has plenty of potential, a Terminator that gets stuck in time, was sent to the wrong date, or fulfilled his mission in the past and stays waiting decades to reactive himself and accomplish new mission or targets.


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JimWantsAliens

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:41 am



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RoboCop (2014)
Terminator: Genesis (2015)
RoboCop 2 (2017)
Terminator: Genesis Part 2 (2018)
RoboCop 3 (2020)
Terminator: Genesis Part 3 (2021)
RoboCop Versus The Terminator (2023)

Please


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RoboTrap

Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:45 pm



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When T4 was announced, I thought there was no way it could be worse than T3.

Then it, you know... was. So, so much worse.

But, I'll be hopeful: there's no way this could be worse than T3&4. Please let me be right this time.


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JimWantsAliens

Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:03 pm



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Do we know what Arnie's role is? Is this set before the first one? I was hoping they'd use him to motion capture an army of fully-skinned T-800s.


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ChAnOoD

Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:18 pm



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RoboCop (2014)
Terminator: Genesis (2015)
RoboCop 2 (2017)
Terminator: Genesis Part 2 (2018)
RoboCop 3 (2020)
Terminator: Genesis Part 3 (2021)
RoboCop Versus The Terminator (2023)

Please

With the new Robo? No, thanks.

I havenīt seen "Salvation", but this looks like a way to cash on the franchise. Not sure if Iīll go to see it.


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Josh

Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:36 pm



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He's rocking the grey hair, it really suits him.

I'm interested in the concept of a Terminator that "ages", it's perfect for long term infiltration or intelligence gathering. But lets face it it'll probably be an underwhelming disappointment.

At least Arnie is in this one though.


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Sin_Valor

Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:53 pm



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I don't understand how can a Terminator "age"? I mean it's not like it's going to recall all the memories and events that happened in Terminator 1 - 3, I know Skynet and Cyberdyne is made up of completely complex, confusing, and questionable technology, but I doubt they can think of any other factor to make Arnie/the Terminator more 'human'.


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RoboDemise

Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:41 am



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I doubt anybody on this site will like it. According to everybody here there hasn't been a good movie made since 87 so why even discuss this. You all know you're going to pick it apart and hate it before it even comes out. Why worry yourselves?


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RoboTrap

Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:30 am



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Hey now, the summer of '08 was pretty awesome. We got Iron Man, Speed Racer (fuck the haters, I love it), and Wall·E. And even if it wasn't awesome, they at least bothered with a new Indy flick. Oh yeah, The Dark Knight came out in '08 as well.


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RoboFan_93

Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:58 am



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Waaaaait, wait... how old is Sarah supposed to be in this again? 12?

Anyway, Terminator 4 left a pretty bad taste in my mouth and I doubt it can get much worse than that. In fact, I hope they will atleast improve on that, so that the series doesn't end up with a turd as the final movie. Good to see Arnie back, I'm somewhat interested in seeing what they'll come up with, but still, as far as I'm concerned, it ends with T2.


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Josh

Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:01 am



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According to everybody here there hasn't been a good movie made since 87 so why even discuss this.

It's called having standards. 

Nothing wrong with picking it apart, and why can't I expect a great movie instead of a cash grab with shit actors (apart from the Austrian Oak) and a shit script?

While I'm not entirely hating on this because I'm looking forward to some of the ideas I'm expecting a good movie, and there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe you're okay with mediocre and that's fine, but I'm not going to bitch to you about that.

And Dredd was awesome remember?


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Sin_Valor

Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:45 am



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When I heard that The Dark Knight Rises movie was about to be released, I had some huge expectations for it, I thought it was going to be awesome, Batman would kick some ass while make one hell of an exit. I couldn't wait to see it.

So I saw it when it was theatrically released...and my expectations sunk a little bit. Don't get me wrong, the movie was great...although I felt The Dark Knight left a bigger impact on me. I mean it was great to see Bane and Batman fighting while the Gotham Police were kicking ass too, but it didn't really make me feel as hooked as the Joker and Two-Face did. 

The next bit's a spoiler, so if you don't want to highlight the text...

Also, I kinda felt annoyed when they made Bruce start dating Selina...I know the fans always keep thinking "will they or won't they" and they even like to see Batman and Catwoman get together...but I thought the way they played it in the film felt a bit cheesy.


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ChAnOoD

Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:07 pm



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Hey now, the summer of '08 was pretty awesome. We got Iron Man, Speed Racer (fuck the haters, I love it), and Wall·E. And even if it wasn't awesome, they at least bothered with a new Indy flick. Oh yeah, The Dark Knight came out in '08 as well.

Was a good year. I think it was one of the few years I went a lot to the cinema. And "Wall·E" is a masterpiece. It has some amazing scenes (the begining is incredible).

When I heard that The Dark Knight Rises movie was about to be released, I had some huge expectations for it, I thought it was going to be awesome, Batman would kick some ass while make one hell of an exit. I couldn't wait to see it.

So I saw it when it was theatrically released...and my expectations sunk a little bit. 

I had a better time with "Rises" than "The Dark Knight". I enjoyed "Begins" too much and I thought "The Dark Knight" itīd be an adventure movie, so while I saw it was a police drama/thriller, I get a little bit bored at times. I appreciate it better when I rewatch it on DVD. As for "Rises", I never felt bored on it, and even if Batman does a cameo on the film, I wasnīt dissapointed by the lack of screentime. 

I doubt anybody on this site will like it. According to everybody here there hasn't been a good movie made since 87 so why even discuss this. You all know you're going to pick it apart and hate it before it even comes out. Why worry yourselves?

I have some favourite films made after 87, so I donīt have a problem with recent films. I got problems when the movie lacks personality and gets generic. I donīt think this Terminator will be the greatest film ever, watcing the troubles the previous directors had for the sequels, and watching a failure with Arnold on it would make it painful. I hope theyīll make a decent film, but for the plot, with all those plot twists, time travel scenes and the way to connect this to the original film, I think theyīll need help to make it work. I think itīs hard to get it right, even with Cameronīs suggestions.


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Stan The Man

Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:32 pm



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Anyway, Terminator 4 left a pretty bad taste in my mouth and I doubt it can get much worse than that. In fact, I hope they will atleast improve on that, so that the series doesn't end up with a turd as the final movie. Good to see Arnie back, I'm somewhat interested in seeing what they'll come up with, but still, as far as I'm concerned, it ends with T2.

I agree completely. With that -

I doubt anybody on this site will like it. According to everybody here there hasn't been a good movie made since 87 so why even discuss this. You all know you're going to pick it apart and hate it before it even comes out. Why worry yourselves?

I have some favourite films made after 87, so I donīt have a problem with recent films. I got problems when the movie lacks personality and gets generic. I donīt think this Terminator will be the greatest film ever, watcing the troubles the previous directors had for the sequels, and watching a failure with Arnold on it would make it painful. I hope theyīll make a decent film, but for the plot, with all those plot twists, time travel scenes and the way to connect this to the original film, I think theyīll need help to make it work. I think itīs hard to get it right, even with Cameronīs suggestions.

Also agree. Sure I know we're a bit of a spoiled, picky bunch, but come on Demise, even you gotta admit the idea of this film isn't really something that'd get you all fired up. I never saw what more could be got out of Terminator in this manner, but that's something else. Anyway, I think most of us are expecting the worst while still sorta hoping for the best (or at least, something that doesn't totally blow). Like artu I kinda like the concept of an 'aging' Terminator, at least I like it on paper anyway. In practice? Well, we'll see. I'm certainly not gonna dump a whole lot of something I haven't seen yet, I'll leave that for the real cynical assholes, not the half-assed ones like me. But I'm also not gonna be all smiley-faced positive without seeing it either. I leave that to oblivious kooks like those remake worshipers.

Nobody's totally dismissing this thing out of hand, I think Josh summed it up for most if not all of us - I too don't think it's too much to ask for something at least remotely good for our money, and I'm bit a skeptical here. Same attitude I had with R2014. But that's it. No hate here. And there have plenty of great films in the last 27 years man, all of us will admit that - Don't be mean-silly, dude.


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RoboDemise

Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:09 pm



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I don't know what it is going to take to make everybody realize that seeing and knowing everything about a movie before you actually see it ruins it for you one way or another. You can't expect to be surprised or entertained when you know everything that is and isn't going to happen.

Any movie I actually want to see, i make a point to know as little about it beforehand as possible.

Here watch this movie. Let me tell you everything about it before you go see it though, see if you enjoy it...

It's not just this site, it is a growing sickness with people in general. People want to see the making of a movie before seeing it, when it should be the other way around.


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Archive

Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:20 pm



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I would agree it becomes more and more difficult going into a movie blind so to speak. Spoilers are everywhere and can be tricky to avoid. Every movie site post every little detail they find and you could, as demise points out, know everything about the movie without actually having seen it. The movie studios themselves post 4-5 trailers and actual clips from the movie. RoboCop 2014 is a good example of over saturation but there are many more examples out there.

A few months ago I have made it a point only to watch the first trailer of any new movie and after that just avoid any topic related to said movie. The movie experience really does get much better when you don't know every twist and turn.


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Stan The Man

Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:02 pm



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I don't know what it is going to take to make everybody realize that seeing and knowing everything about a movie before you actually see it ruins it for you one way or another. You can't expect to be surprised or entertained when you know everything that is and isn't going to happen.

Any movie I actually want to see, i make a point to know as little about it beforehand as possible.

Here watch this movie. Let me tell you everything about it before you go see it though, see if you enjoy it...

It's not just this site, it is a growing sickness with people in general. People want to see the making of a movie before seeing it, when it should be the other way around.

With that RD, you got a decent point. Outside of RoboCop, for me, usually, I don't care for other films/franchises that much so I'm not on the lookout for every little bit of info, so I can't really be jaded so much. R2014 was the big exception of course (for obvious reasons) and even then I got into the whole thing a few months late so I didn't quite know everything. Still, I doubt not knowing as much would have made me enjoy the film more, while having info going in didn't prevent me from giving the film a chance. R2014 I was going to see regardless. As for other films, well, I want to know if my money might be better spent at release, later for home video, or not at all, even. 

Some people are like that, for sure - They want to know everything if only to shit on the film, but I'm not like that (or at least I try not to be), and I think many others on here are the same way. Sure we have a few trepidations already, but I'm not sure it's that bad really.

That said, I agree it has become hard to be totally objective and surprised, and easier to be critical, I grant you that. But as you said, it's not just us, and I would like to think that generally we on here aren't too bad compared to others. We want to see if we might get something worth a damn, again, we're putting down money for it, I don't think that's too much to ask - If we can get an indicator going in, great. But every little thing we can find out prior to release? Bah, maybe only if, as a superfan, you're really that invested in the film/franchise. That doesn't apply here, for me at least. I still understand your frustration though.


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Sin_Valor

Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:11 pm



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I think what really pisses me off is when you're hooked on a show like Breaking Bad and then they start playing the final season. Every fan and hardcore fan on forums and Facebook and Twitter are finding spoilers and coming up with theories on what happens in the finale.

I know they're just fans and they're really excited as to what actually happens in the finale...but can you just stop finding everything you need to know about the ending and just watch it and see for yourselves?


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artuditu

Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:19 pm



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Knowing a lot about a movie before watching it does not make it bad or good, it may somewhat change your first experience and slightly alter your first opinion but the movie is not gonna go from good to bad or from bad to good because of it, it's two separate debates. Actually a good way to know if you like a movie is when you don't mind watching it over and over again, even if you already know all the twists.

RoboDemise if there is one thing that really changes perception A LOT is having already watched many movies, because then almost nothing looks original or surprising. That's why teenagers are the best audience, because of their age they lack previous film culture. So if you really want to enjoy cinema again the best strategy would be to dramatically decrease the number of movies you watch in general, consume the less cinema you can, and you will enjoy it more.

But again, that's a question of first impression and cultivating one taste, films are not gonna be better or worse because of it. I watched Conan the Barbarian remake without even watching the trailer and it was shit, I watched "X-Men Days of future past" having watched all trailers, featurette and film clips (which I usually don't do) and I liked it. Obviously X-Men wasn't worse than Conan just because I knew a lot of one and nothing of the other before watching them.

With Robocop2014 I watched the trailers but none of the film clips. With Ninja Turtles I'm watching the trailers and I have so little faith in the final product (especially with the last trailer released today) that I don't care to watch everything that comes out, it won't ruin me anything (if then the movie turns to be good I will be delighted and surprised, but I really doubt it, will be mixed at best). Still I don't know what is the origin of the turtles or who is Shredder, why do the foot clan look like terrorists, etc. Many open questions that would enter the domain of spoilers and I won't look for the answers (I know in some forums you will have people discussing in detail all the possibilities or having the answers, but I'm not usually interested in that degree of information).


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RoboDemise

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:45 am



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R2 I agree with your point in general, but knowing a bunch of dumb shit going in will definitely change the experience, let's just say that. May be for better, may be for worse, but I think in general, for me anyway, I would rather go in blind. I don't want to hear what a bunch of other people think about anything. 99% of this worlds populations opinion means nothing to me. So it may just be me, but like I said already, blind is the way to go for me from now on.


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Archive

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:01 pm



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Knowing a lot about a movie before watching it does not make it bad or good, it may somewhat change your first experience and slightly alter your first opinion but the movie is not gonna go from good to bad or from bad to good because of it, it's two separate debates. Actually a good way to know if you like a movie is when you don't mind watching it over and over again, even if you already know all the twists.

While you would technically identify the movie as a good or bad movie either way it would affect your personal enjoyment of it. You just sit there and wait for that clip to appear that you have already seen.

The emotional impact if you know how things will unfold is gone. The experience of seeing a movie for the first time and enjoying its many twist and turns and unknown events is, for me, something that shapes if a movie is good or not. The EXPERIENCE and memory becomes part of what makes the movie great.

A lot of the my best movie experiences are from movies that I had seen little or nothing from, just because I was on the edge of my seat wondering what would happen next.


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RoboPimp

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:14 pm



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A lot of the my best movie experiences are from movies that I had seen little or nothing from, just because I was on the edge of my seat wondering what would happen next.

I agree with this for the most part but there are a few corner-cases where watching a few trailers and having some prerequisite knowledge helps. A notable recent example for me would be X-Men: Days of the Future Past. A huge concern for me was how they were going to approach the time travel (who would be doing it, where they'd be going). When I found out Wolverine was going to the past I was pretty aggravated, but by the time I actually saw the movie that aggravation had worn off and I could appreciate their vision of the story instead of wanting mine the whole time. 

Now the opposite of this is comedy movies. If I see more than one trailer for a comedy movie it is almost never worth the price of admission. Usually the best jokes are ruined, and the plot becomes so clear there is nothing left to see. I think the only case in which I really want to see multiple trailers for something is when it's based on pre-existing media. This helps with expectations. Maybe if I had payed closer attention to the trailers for the recent Batman trilogy I wouldn't have been so disappointed. I spent more time getting excited to see my favorite comics on the big screen instead of focusing on the story I was actually gonna get, and in cases like that a little more exposure to the previews can help ease the blow, but over-saturation will ruin any film.


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ChAnOoD

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:15 pm



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While you would technically identify the movie as a good or bad movie either way it would affect your personal enjoyment of it. You just sit there and wait for that clip to appear that you have already seen.

The emotional impact if you know how things will unfold is gone. The experience of seeing a movie for the first time and enjoying its many twist and turns and unknown events is, for me, something that shapes if a movie is good or not. The EXPERIENCE and memory becomes part of what makes the movie great.

A lot of the my best movie experiences are from movies that I had seen little or nothing from, just because I was on the edge of my seat wondering what would happen next.

Marketing has itīs faults on that as well. For example, I admire the way the latest Batflicks handled that. They could show you clips, but still you didnīt have idea about how the movie would be. And other films destroy the whole plot in a single trailer. It happens a lot on some comedies: they bring the better jokes on the trailer, and then you have boring scenes between jokes you already see.


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Archive

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:22 pm



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I think Prometheus did a great job of keeping the trailers mysterious, and not showing too much. And a lot of the promo videos released were footage not in the actual film but specifically made.

Now the opposite of this is comedy movies. If I see more than one trailer for a comedy movie it is almost never worth the price of admission. Usually the best jokes are ruined, and the plot becomes so clear there is nothing left to see.

Absolutely agree. The joke is often ripped out of context and when you have already seen the punch-line it's just frustrating to see the movie and wait as they slowly go towards the punchline that you have already seen. The decent "a million ways to die in the west" ruined the best cameo joke (for me) in the trailer, that I had wished I'd seen fresh in the actual movie.

Then we have some thriller movies like "paranoia" that show the whole movie in order via short clips. Every twist and turn is revealed right there in the trailer. It's basically a mini movie shown in 2-3 minutes and there is no reason to actually go see the full length version because you already know what will happen at every point.


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Stan The Man

Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:30 pm



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I think Pimp and artu pretty much put it for me. I don't disagree knowing something changes the experience, but as Pimp said, having a little something going in helps on some films. Not a lot mind, you, just a little something.

Keep in mind I'm one of those 'the more you know' assholes so, for me, I don't like going in completely blind. And again, as I'm paying for the shit in some form or other, I don't think that's unreasonable. If my experience suffers in some way, if I lose some of that 'magic', so be it. That is a good feeling to have and I still get it even if I have an idea of things. Still, I really get most of my enjoyment on things with repeat viewings anyway, as artu pointed out.

I understand Demise's position completely though, and I agree, if you want that surprise, then yeah, you need to avoid knowing almost everything. But I find in a lot of cases that's impossible. Even outside of promotion hooplah. This here is one of them - We all know what Terminator is, who Arnold played and so on and so unfortunately we don't have such a 'clean slate' in this instance. In fact rarely do we have such an instance, as many films now, if they aren't reboots/remakes/sequels/etc, they're otherwise based off of something already done in one form or other, we kinda have an idea of things by default, especially if we have seen a lot of movies, again, as artu stated.

Promotion can help to counter that, though, and there have been cases where it did and it worked well. However other times they give it away, so trying to get an idea of things, even a minor one, can backfire depending on how promotion goes. I usually just keep to occasional trailer and a pic or two here and there, much more than that I don't care for. But if they do the trailers poorly and give away a lot, then yeah you are fucked.

Anyway, it's cool, Demise - Avoid the bullshit if you can, and go in totally open. I'll be one of those that wants a slight taste, at least a vague idea of things. There are others still who want every detail of the film before seeing it - I'm not that bad, and again, I think most here aren't that way either, aside from whatever they're a massive fan of, of course. Whatever works for each.


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artuditu

Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:43 am



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Strange title change, I can say many people are gonna misspell it.

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Also it seems as if Oracle headquarters have been used as film location for Cyberdine Systems.

http://www.stevepinker.com/California/San-Francisco-Bay-1/i-BXLTSsZ/0/L/Oracle%20headquarters-L.jpg
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The more I read about the story the more it is clear the film will revisit moments of the original films (for example T2 attack on Cyberdine). Arnold would be a T-800 that protects Sarah for her entire life without her knowing? So Arnold would not appear only grey-haired but will look younger and older depending of the timeline.


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Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:54 am



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Terminator: Genesis (2015)
RoboCop 2 (2017)
Terminator: Genesis Part 2 (2018)
RoboCop 3 (2020)
Terminator: Genesis Part 3 (2021)
RoboCop Versus The Terminator (2023)

Please

I literally watched your PT drop from -2 in the last post I looked at to -3 in this post. :lol: 


As for this Terminator Genisys shit, I have one word: GAY!

OK, here's a few more words: Why couldn't they just call it Terminator: Genesis. We get that it's gonna be some origin story esque bulllshit, don't mask it in some quirk. How much of this film will be masked in quirk? Everything! I'm basing this simply on the title and the pictures here, but I think this is gonna be some sloppy, rushed husk of a tale that ultimately will serve no purpose in furthering this classic story... yah basically Terminator 3 again or something? Ehh, the only thing that really determines the success of a Terminator is not Arnold but the supporting cast around him. I don't know what's going on in the pictures of the other people other than Arnold, but I don't like it.


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Sin_Valor

Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:42 am



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Honestly, why didn't the franchise just stop at Judgement Day? I mean John, Sarah and the T-800 literally did EVERYTHING to make damn sure Judgement Day DIDN'T HAPPEN!

They destroyed the shit out of Cyberdyne Systems, killed the guy who was going to make Skynet, destroyed the chips and CPUs that would be needed to make Judgement Day happen, and killed off the T-1000 too.

What's holding it back so that Skynet still destroys the world?

And don't give me that 'it is inevitable' bullshit, because they killed and destroyed the one company that was going to be responsible for the whole 'war against the machines'. It's not like there's ANOTHER Cyberdyne Systems that they didn't notice on the way or some backup system that activated Skynet anyways.

The franchise sucked since T3. I don't even care about the 'Sarah Connor Chronicles', like that was any good.


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Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:27 am



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Honestly, why didn't the franchise just stop at Judgement Day? I mean John, Sarah and the T-800 literally did EVERYTHING to make damn sure Judgement Day DIDN'T HAPPEN!

They destroyed the shit out of Cyberdyne Systems, killed the guy who was going to make Skynet, destroyed the chips and CPUs that would be needed to make Judgement Day happen, and killed off the T-1000 too.

What's holding it back so that Skynet still destroys the world?

And don't give me that 'it is inevitable' bullshit, because they killed and destroyed the one company that was going to be responsible for the whole 'war against the machines'. It's not like there's ANOTHER Cyberdyne Systems that they didn't notice on the way or some backup system that activated Skynet anyways.

The franchise sucked since T3. I don't even care about the 'Sarah Connor Chronicles', like that was any good.

I totally agree man!! you nailed it


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Stan The Man

Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:51 pm



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I wouldn't have minded a sort of prequel-sequel where we saw something more of the future war as portrayed in T1 and T2, but otherwise Sin hit it entirely.

Anyway.. well, not gonna write this off entirely, as I try hard to not do that period - But after trying hard to not write off T3, T4 and SCC, well, fuckin A. I guess we'll see what's-what next year, Bah.


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Sin_Valor

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:42 pm



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Stan's got a good point, I know Salvation was a shitty movie, but it could've been better, like introduce how the endoskeletons, HKs, and Terminators came to be. An origin story for Skynet after Judgement Day might've been alright...as a prequel.

Hell, I would've settled for any of the video games turned into movies like Dawn of Fate or Redemption.


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I actually kinda liked Salavation,I think they had a great premise yet the execution was bad that's completely on that hack Mcg..I liked the future war looking more grounded in reality and combat taking place in the light of day never figured why in the original most of skynets anti human endeavors take place at night this is even eluded to in T2 and several books spawned from the franchise..But even then I can admit in its finished form its a shit film.I still believe that done right we can have Terminator films that don't feature Arnold,As much As I love him in  them it just don't make any since that skynet would continue to produce the T800 that looks like Arnold..Thats like ford never moving on from the model a..


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artuditu

Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:16 pm



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I actually kinda liked Salavation,I think they had a great premise yet the execution was bad that's completely on that hack Mcg..I liked the future war looking more grounded in reality and combat taking place in the light of day never figured why in the original most of skynets anti human endeavors take place at night this is even eluded to in T2 and several books spawned from the franchise..But even then I can admit in its finished form its a shit film.I still believe that done right we can have Terminator films that don't feature Arnold,As much As I love him in  them it just don't make any since that skynet would continue to produce the T800 that looks like Arnold..Thats like ford never moving on from the model a..

I agree T4 could have been much better, with just the same elements but wisely played, if you saw the first trailers and spots it really looked promising. But to me the final result was poor not only because of the director, but also the screenplay.

Anyway night and darkness look always better when you have a low budget. It is also explained in the first film how it was safer for humans to go out of their hidings during the night. I am fine about daylight in T4 although I think they could have mixed day and night to make a more interesting contrast.

Overall T4 focused on quantity over quality, a bit like "The revenge of the sith", too many terminators, too many locations, too many bland action scenes, which is the contrary of the original films revolving around a few elements and scenes and making the most with them (and in T1 a very low budget). 

The original films (T1 mostly, but also a little bit T2) had terror elements, having to face a terminator was something almost hopeless, even terrifying, it is hunting you, you cannot reason or talk with it and wants you death. You could also feel that hopelessness in the future, you could sense that humanity on the verge of extinction, living in miserable conditions, and one single T-800 could make huge damage infiltrating a human hiding base; yet we got almost nothing like that atmosphere in T4 which to me was closer to Transformers or even AvP than T1 or T2, more into the fast action experience than into the story, characters and atmosphere experience.

For me a model of taking a terror movie with little elements and making it a more action oriented film with more elements but keeping the quality, terror and atmosphere is going from Alien to Aliens (coincidentally by James Cameron), that's how Terminator franchise should have approached T4, but instead they went completely generic Transformerish action sci-fi.


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Stan The Man

Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:49 pm



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Nail on the fuckin' head vegas and artu. 

Anyway, this new film sounds kinda interesting, but then again I thought the same about T4 and even SCC, so.. Like I said, we'll see. Trying hard not to dump on this thing totally.


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artuditu

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:14 pm



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New trilogy announced by Paramount, of which Genisys (2015) would be its first installment. Two more films scheduled for 2017 and 2018.

http://screenrant.com/terminator-genisys-5-6-7-release-dates-2017-2018/

Producers look confident about this movie, usually these announcements are made just before a movie releases to make more headlines (most recent examples Captain America 3, Guardians of Galaxy 2, Ninja Turtles 2). 

Still I would say 2017 and 2018 releases mean they would start production after Genisys release and I'm sure if it was a box-office disappointment all sequels would get aborted very easily.


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artuditu

Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:50 pm



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PG-13?

Jai Courtney:  "I would love to see it be rated R, but I don't think it will. I think in this day & age, it's much more likely to be PG-13. There were no f-bombs. But there'll be a healthy amount of movie violence."

"It's not necessarily a sequel or a reboot. I don't even know how you brand it correctly. We're not remaking one of the early 'Terminator' movies. And it doesn't necessarily carry on from the point where we left off." 

http://www.thearnoldfans.com/news/2014/10/8/exclusive-interview-with-terminators-jai-courtney-kyle-reese.html


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Stan The Man

Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:51 pm



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I read that about it not possibly being R-rated yesterday. Bah. Even Terminator can't keep an R-rating? Shit, it deserves to keep that just as much if not more than a RoboCop film. 

I weep for this 'day & age'. :roll:


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Meriandressial

Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:41 pm



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It sounds terrible this film. Terminaters stupid, overated, crap. It always was, always will be. 
It makes no sense at all. 
As it has gone on, it got worse and worse.
Terminaters are so stupid they get routinely defeated by 1 or 2 idiots.
The thing that is supposedly scary about them, is how you'd defeat them!
These things don't give up? Then run into a car crushing plant or something, or paraglide off a cliff, the terminater would stupidly follow, and die!

The tv show was beyond a joke! That was nothing more than the constant hysterical, moronic ramblings of a idiotic woman who NEVER SHUTS UP! I get being paranoid. But she was insane, not paranoid.
I swear, every second of her life, she spent waffling. It was like she spent the entire time walking round with a dictaphone!

It was like
the terminaters, blah blah balh, waffle waffle, whine
Man
Stop narrating into the radio!
It's radio silence unless otherwise said
Sarah Connor
And then the man I don't trust said stop talking into the radio. Maybe he's a terminater. 
The terminaters are everywere. the futures so bad! waill! Whine!
Man 
Shut up! FFS!
John Connor
Got into the computer room. Going to hack the mainframe.
Man
Good.
Sarah Connor
Waffle waffle whine whine..Johns so good at this. But I worry the computers are terminaters...what if his teachers a terminater...what if that little girls a terminater...Ah! A bomb! Thrown by a terminater!
Boy playing football looks on and wonders why shes narrating.
Hey, lady, can have my ball back?
Sarah Connor
It talks! it's definately a terminater!
John Connar
whats that constant noise I hear
Man
Your mothers having a breakdown because a football hit her. She's narrating into the walkie talkie and running the battery down.
John Connar
FFS!
Cameron
Hey, I got those enemies killed! Coming back to base!
Man
Good.
Sarah Connar
She's coming back to base! Kill her! What if she's evil! Shes a terminater! Aghhhhh!

The last film, Terminater Salvation, was atrocious! Christian Bale is a terrible, talentless, boring, miserable actor. Sam Worthington can't act at all.
That film was embarassing.

The one with the female terminater, FFS!

The entire premise is based on such painfully cretinous stupidity on the part of all concerned, it's ridiculous.


The title of the new one sounds the stupidest thing too. Genisys? 
I get calling a company genisys. But is'nt that some kind of play on the word genesis?
Why not just call in genesis. It'd look a hell of a lot less stupid!

The PG13 thing. Who cares. Less adult content to be stupid with. At least we'll be spared whoevers in it trying to be all edgy and sweary. They won't be able to christian bale it out of laziness, at least.

The story sounds atrocious and very stupid.
A desperate attempt to ressurect a series that was dead to begin with.


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Stan The Man

Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:43 am



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^ Bah, you could have just said you think the Terminator franchise sucks ass. Same message with a whole lot less vapidly offhand bullshit to read.

That said, if you're gonna arbitrarily shit on something, at least spell it right. It's 'Terminator'. TOR not TER - There's no 'e' at the end. And you think a lower rating will make a film less idiotic? Fuckin' A..


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RoboFan_93

Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:03 am



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Reading his post gives me a headache. With that said, while I agree that 4 and the series are crap and 3 gets worse and worse everytime I watch it, somebody who says T1 and especially T2 are crap is definetely not someone I'd bother try to understand.


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vegasrobo

Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:11 pm



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^ Bah, you could have just said you think the Terminator franchise sucks ass. Same message with a whole lot less vapidly offhand bullshit to read.

That said, if you're gonna arbitrarily shit on something, at least spell it right. It's 'Terminator'. TOR not TER - There's no 'e' at the end. And you think a lower rating will make a film less idiotic? Fuckin' A..




This.


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ChAnOoD

Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:04 pm



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The plot for this movie is insane. And the cover pictures look... donīt know  :ohdear: : http://io9.com/terminator-genisys-insane-plot-reveal-is-a-total-nightm-1652315938?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow


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artuditu

Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:55 am



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If that part of the plot is true it is probably the consequence of time travel loops changing a lot of what happened in the original movies. Somewhat like what they did with "X-Men: Days of Future Past".

So even if they revisit parts of the old movies those could be very differented and changed, and Sarah Connor will have a completely different personality and background from the character we first met in T1.

I think this movie is just gonna be a transition/introduction movie of a new announced trilogy. Anyway I read that whatever happens Terminator rights are going back to James Cameron in 2019.

Oh, that smiling terminator from the magazine's front cover does look ridiculous indeed... But I would say the other front cover is much worse...


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RoboFan_93

Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:01 am



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Okay, so if this is not related to the previous ones... I can...somewhat see it, it's not a bad concept, but one that they just have to really NAIL in order to work. But if it is in continuity with the previous films...in the words of a world-famous time-traveller - "This is heavy!"
Also, I'm still not buying Emilia Clarke as Sarah Conner at all.

With that being said, Terminator is yet another franchise that's been to hell and has still not really made it back (unless you stop with T2 that is) and I am fairly skeptical of the movie.


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artuditu

Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:37 pm



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'Terminator: Genisys' is getting viciously scorched on Twitter again

http://mashable.com/2014/10/29/terminator-genisys-is-getting-scorched-on-twitter-again/


http://rack.1.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzEwLzI5LzA2L0VXY292ZXJzdGVyLjNjNzhmLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/25e0bcc0/4fc/EW-covers-terminator1.jpg


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artuditu

Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:58 pm



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Oh God...

http://www.journaldugeek.com/files/2014/10/B1Mie2KIAAAwKoG.jpg
http://www.journaldugeek.com/files/2014/10/t%C3%A9l%C3%A9chargement-11.jpg


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RoboFan_93

Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:06 pm



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Who the heck OK'd this? O_O


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artuditu

Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:18 pm



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Maybe it's just an horrendous marketing campaign. We'll have to wait for the trailer to judge what the actual movie looks like:

http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/media/images/146/74874436-1-fre-FR/1.jpg
http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/media/images/315/74874465-1-fre-FR/3.jpg
http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/media/images/214/74874468-1-fre-FR/2.jpg


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RoboFan_93

Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:31 pm



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That's what I meant - who the heck OK'd those marketing photos. They are laughably bad.


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Meriandressial

Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:11 pm



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Those pictures are horrific! Laughablely bad. 
The expressions, lol.
It's so amateurish, actual amateurs could do better.

The plot sounds atrocious. Looks like it is desperately shoehorning in terminators in every place it can, for no reason.


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ChAnOoD

Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:25 pm



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Smithīs expression in that image is... Retarded.

Doesnīt feel "Terminatish" to me. But well, thatīs what it happens when they insist on cashing on famous franchises.


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RoboHell

Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:55 pm



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:ohdear:


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Stan The Man

Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:14 am



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Doesnīt feel "Terminatish" to me. But well, thatīs what it happens when they insist on cashing on famous franchises.

Bah, I watch Robert Patrick on The X-Files and that feels more like Terminator than this.. Geez I thought those images were hoaxes or something. 

Only positive I could find was that someone said the one guy looks a bit like Conan O'Brien. Otherwise, bah.

Trying hard not to be totally down on this one folks. Really, REALLY trying. :|


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artuditu

Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:02 pm



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http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/29/Guardian_612x381.jpg

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/29/Terminator-cast.jpg

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/29/Behind-The-Scenes.jpg

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/29/Jason-Clarke.jpg

http://cines.com/files/2014/10/terminator-3.png

http://ecranlarge.com/media/cache/resolve/637x637/uploads/image/000/931/termi1-707.jpg

http://ecranlarge.com/media/cache/resolve/637x637/uploads/image/000/931/termi4-710.jpg


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Meriandressial

Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:58 pm



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More awful pictures, lol. :lol: 
What is with the womans face in the group shot? It's like someones shining a light right in her eyes. They all look like they're being blinded by massive lights or lens flare. 
Matt Smith looks like he's having a flashback to the bad days when he was in appalling Doctor Who episodes.
A common effect of being in those awful moffat trainwrecks is the actors look like they can't believe how ridiculously cretinous the script is.
The terminaters teeth?! While it is technically a skull. It looks like it's got dentures and is grinning.
Arnold Swarzanegger should give it up. Too old for it. And it's boring from a story view. Having every of that kind of that terminater look like him.

Don't judge Matt Smith on this film, BTW. He's a good actor. Before the Doctor degenerated into constantly ticing, over cutesy, bi polar, schhitsophrenic, PTSD, lunatic, he was actually doing proper acting in DW.
 The ticing lunatic thing is the only way the moffat knows how to write the Doctor.


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artuditu

Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:32 pm



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My main doubt right now is we know they are revisiting moments of the original movies so shall we see a completely young Arnold from T1 and T2, the T-1000 and teenage John Connor? Probably they would use different actors for Edward Furlong's character and Robert Patrick's T-1000, that is obvious since Sarah and Kyle are different actors, but for Arnold will they use again the CGI young Arnold from Terminator Salvation?

I think if done properly it can be a funny experience for old fans, as "X-Men: Days of Future Past" was. Nothing great nor revolutionary, just an entertaining tribute to the first 2 movies. I have not lost faith yet as you can see... C'mon this is the true and original franchise that can afford a reboot-sequel with time-travel excuse, it is well deserved to have one more last ride with Arnie.


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Stan The Man

Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:03 pm



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I think if done properly it can be a funny experience for old fans, as "X-Men: Days of Future Past" was. Nothing great nor revolutionary, just an entertaining tribute to the first 2 movies. I have not lost faith yet as you can see... C'mon this is the true and original franchise that can afford a reboot-sequel with time-travel excuse, it is well deserved to have one more last ride with Arnie.

You make a good point, artu, and things like this are why I have not yet given up hope totally. But I gotta be honest, these images we're seeing aren't very enticing, even for a light piece of nostalgia.. which I'm not sure I care for so much. But I don't know. I will say that it is awesome to see Arnie and the T800 Endos again, but the rest of it? Bah.

As you said, this could be an entertaining piece with some Arnie and other nostalgia for old-time fans. But I have trepidation.. Frankly I thought the time-travel aspect was pretty much played out by T2 - I never would have wanted to keep using that element. Also not sure I care for every other character being different while still seeing Arnie.. Just kinda jarring, really. Unlike X-Men DOFP where they kept/re-used many of the original actors concurrent with the newer stock.. (A stock they set up and stuck with so at least there's a bit of continuity there). Furthermore, this whole franchise started out with a movie that had no real 'lightness' to it, unlike X-Men, so again, not sure if it's a fair/proper comparison, and not sure if I care for this franchise being gone about in that manner now.. 

All-told, the whole thing, what I know of it, seems like a joke. These pictures aren't helping to dispel that, either. It just peeves me somewhat - not exactly a mindset that gets me pumped up. My hopes, what I have, aren't high. Shit, to be frank, I have less hope for something good out of this than R2014, and even there I didn't have very high hopes..  I'm not sure it'll be done properly as you say, but, as always, not disallowing for that possibility, either. We shall see, of course.


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artuditu

Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:44 am



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The new T-800 endoskeleton look (and the old one to compare).

I would say the main difference is the chest, much less inspired in my opinion. I can't understand how a designer would ever think that looks better than the original.

The vertebral column may look more modern and stylish.

The teeth look bigger and/or the jaw looks thinner?

http://cines.com/files/2014/11/terminator-genisys-endoesqueleto.jpg
http://www.cinemaquette.com/sites/default/files/image_gallery/cinemaquette_maquette_t800_6.jpg


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RoboFan_93

Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:27 pm



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Why bother removing the details and make unnecessary changes? WHY?


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RoboHell

Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:16 pm



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RoboCop should of been a big lesson learned, guess not.


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Stan The Man

Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:53 pm



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^ I concur with the above posts. That said, honestly, I think the new design doesn't look that bad nor that much worse than the original, and in a way that's the bigger problem - So little has really changed (aside from the front plate and those enormous teeth, gah), makes me wonder why they bothered changing any of it, really.

The plate isn't that big a deal visually aside from it being uninspired as said. Not that the original was all that great looking but that was the point - it's meant to be practical and not stylish - Just something that covers/protects a fair portion of the workings from the front (if anything could be bigger) rather than some oversized Mercedes emblem shit..

Again, more than anything, I just wonder what was the import in changing any of it, especially if the changes would amount to so little. Bah.


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razgriz21

Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:48 pm



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I don't know what to say.

I think the plot wrapped up nicely in T2.

It just seems redundant.


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artuditu

Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:50 pm



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The plate isn't that big a deal visually aside from it being uninspired as said. Not that the original was all that great looking but that was the point - it's meant to be practical and not stylish

I completely disagree there!  :b 

To me the T-800 design has always been top notch, rivaling with Bottin's Robosuit. They are two opposite concepts (Robo is massive like a tank or late medieval knight, T-800 is pure and lean functionality "to the bone") but they are both iconic sharing overall simplicity and complexity in the details. 

The original chest plate follows better the shape of a human thorax and ribs getting opened in the front lower part to let space for the digestive organs. Let's remember a T-800 is meant to be covered in skin and muscles, and probably has fake organs too. This new chest has a sharp and pointed steaking-out sternum! How in the hell could that be concealed or hidden with skin? It's the only part of a human chest that should look sunken! It goes completely against logic and functionality.

But aside from the shape, they got rid of all the engraved details of the original plate, just leaving that part plain... Imagine we see an update of Robo suit and they only remove all engraved details from the back, or the vent from the chest... We would just think how LAZY was the designer.


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Stan The Man

Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:24 pm



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Hey, I didn't mean it was a bad design, quite the opposite. I agree with you entirely in fact - It certainly has style and beauty, but most of the beauty and style of it is in it's design, which is clearly meant to keep of a more practical look, not like this new shit here. 

By saying it's 'not that great looking' I just meant that it wasn't all 'flashy' and neat, and the original isn't - The original looks plainly and simply badass and solid, but not overdone. Sure there are some details but it's not too much. This new one is the opposite, it has new bits and details that don't add anything and don't retain that level of badass-ness, and is plain in other spots - it just looks silly, and also lazy as you mentioned. 

As you said, that pointed star shit wouldn't work in the flesh-covered cyborg version, and looking at it again, I don't like that spiked spine - This all reminds me of the reboot suit, extra details and shit where it's not needed and serves no real purpose, while the rest of it is like a designer said 'ah fuck it, that's good enough, done.'

Anyway, the original looks awesome indeed but to me, the look seems like it was done without 'looking cool' in-mind, that wasn't the point as much. The new one is clear it had superficial appearance in-mind, which doesn't work in something like this.. I'm not against new designs and changes but I'm not into a change for either plain looks and/or only for the sake of doing so.. Much like the RebootCop suit.


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artuditu

Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:05 am



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I have read they are probably using again a "Synthespian" for young Arnold as they did back in Terminator Salvation (that is a body double plus CGI Arnold scanned face). Probably they will recreate the 1984 T1 first scene where Arnold appears naked.

A trailer to be expected soon.

Another amateurish promotional image or maybe just a selfie? :)

http://im.ziffdavisinternational.com/ign_es/screenshot/default/arnold-t800_egam.jpg


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artuditu

Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:38 am



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Oh, and the best parodies from the previous ones:

http://cinemania.es/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/t10-660x374.jpg

http://cinemania.es/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/t8.jpg

http://cinemania.es/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/t1.jpg

http://cinemania.es/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/t11.jpg


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razgriz21

Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:56 am



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I'm trying so hard NOT to laugh but it's impossible.

Emilia Clarke is a cutie but she's no Linda Hamilton.


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artuditu

Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:13 am



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First look teaser trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW_LXxplOjk


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RoboFan_93

Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:31 pm



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So, I just saw the full trailer... better than I expected it to be, honestly. Still, if you're going to reboot something and pretend the previous movies didn't happen, don't bother re-creating scenes from them.

With that said, at this point, I just hope it's better than Salvation and is atleast watchable. We all know Terminator's name has been dragged through the mud already, like so many other things...


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artuditu

Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:12 pm



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Yeah, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62E4FJTwSuc

I have to say it looks just as I expected, a kind of "X-Men Days of Future Past" non-revolutionary entertainment.


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Stan The Man

Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:16 am



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Saw it just now - Honestly, kinda bums me out to see the franchise come this far to more-or-less go back to where it was at 1991. That said, it all looks alright, except for a couple of things (Arnie's Endo hand.. yeesh). 

I think 93 made a solid point - You really wanna reboot/remake the shit, don't copy-and-paste shit straight from the previous incarnation(s) you're wanting to differentiate yourself from so damn blatantly.

Seems like the 'dragged through the mud' franchise will stay pretty dirty.. but it does seem watchable. Then again so did T3 and Salvation.. Still, might be something here. We'll see. I always reserve judgement 'til the final product and make allowance for the possibility of it being good, though admittedly both the possibility and allowance are slim. All-told, I think artu said it, whatever allowance I make I ain't really expecting anything special here.


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RoboPimp

Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:14 am



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Of the three notable sequel trailers to come out recently (this, Jurassic World, Star Wars VII), this might be the best...though that's not saying much. I'm definitely more excited for Star Wars, but the trailer didn't show much. In contrast, I rather like what I saw here. The story is an interesting twist, it actually reminded me of the better ideas in Robocop Terminator: Kill Human, what with the whole "you thought you knew the movie but this changes everything thing". Of course, hearing the line "we could actually stop judgement day" might make you scream "again!", and it does, but I surprisingly enjoyed this trailer. At the very least it looks better than Terminator Salvation or the Sara Connor chronicles, so while this may not be the most original Terminator story ever told, it probably won't be the worst.


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artuditu

Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:04 pm



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http://www.uruloki.org/felipeblog/images2014-1/20141204-terminatorgenisys-2.jpg


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JimWantsAliens

Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:01 pm



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I didn't hold out much hope for this but the trailer actually changed my mind. Apart from a car apparently flipping a bus over (huh?) I actually like the idea that Reece goes back to 1984 but the past has changed.


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Victorboris1

Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:21 pm



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I didn't hold out much hope for this but the trailer actually changed my mind. Apart from a car apparently flipping a bus over (huh?) I actually like the idea that Reece goes back to 1984 but the past has changed.

That car is probably made of recycled Nokias brickphones.


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JimWantsAliens

Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:33 am



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Actually, what annoys me most about the trailer is that, despite an apocalyptic war raging around him, Jai Courtney is still spending all week in the gym and drinking more than his ration of protein shakes.


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Victorboris1

Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:55 am



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Actually, what annoys me most about the trailer is that, despite an apocalyptic war raging around him, Jai Courtney is still spending all week in the gym and drinking more than his ration of protein shakes.

He eats the flesh from captured T800 infiltrators, future brotein.


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artuditu

Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:48 am



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Actually, what annoys me most about the trailer is that, despite an apocalyptic war raging around him, Jai Courtney is still spending all week in the gym and drinking more than his ration of protein shakes.

I completely agree with that, Michael Biehn had an athletic shape, he was muscular but lean, not massive at all. This Jai Courtney is closer to the Terminator body shape than the post-apocalyptic rebel that lives underground surrounded by misery. 

It is a trend with many actors today going for the muscular look and just going too far, putting up 10kg/20lbs of unnecessary muscle bordering the bodybuilder look. Channing Tatum or Mark Wahlberg are two examples I can think of, through their career they only got bigger and bigger. I could also argue I hate how Chris Evans makes Captain America look like a bodybuilder, but many would disagree with me. If that was not enough this trend also affected the Ninja Turtles! Maybe too much WWE influence in America?


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Stan The Man

Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:34 pm



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Actually, what annoys me most about the trailer is that, despite an apocalyptic war raging around him, Jai Courtney is still spending all week in the gym and drinking more than his ration of protein shakes.

I completely agree with that, Michael Biehn had an athletic shape, he was muscular but lean, not massive at all. This Jai Courtney is closer to the Terminator body shape than the post-apocalyptic rebel that lives underground surrounded by misery. 

It is a trend with many actors today going for the muscular look and just going too far, putting up 10kg/20lbs of unnecessary muscle bordering the bodybuilder look. Channing Tatum or Mark Wahlberg are two examples I can think of, through their career they only got bigger and bigger. I could also argue I hate how Chris Evans makes Captain America look like a bodybuilder, but many would disagree with me. If that was not enough this trend also affected the Ninja Turtles! Maybe too much WWE influence in America?

Shit, Wahlberg looks a bit more normal compared to some other tanks calling themselves actors you see in shit today - At least I don't think his bulk is emphasized as much as it is with some other dudes. Still, I concur, seems to be all these really handsome super-beefcake types in all these roles, yes even when they're supposed to be things like apocalyptic survivors, some kind of 'normal' dues, or such. Which is kinda bullshit - Why can't more regular proportioned fellas be action heros and shit? As I understand it, regular dudes don't generally spend four days a week at Gold's Gym. As said, I don't remember Captain America being some hunk, he was a regular dude.. Bah. But normal dudes just don't look as good on camera, gotta have something fine and hot to look at. But hell, it goes both ways - lady scientists and government agents don't usually look like Jessica Alba or Scarlett Johanssen either, and so forth, women with C-cups (or bigger) and perfect skin and legs that won't quit and that. Jennifer Lawrence is a decent bit de-emphasized in Hunger Games, but even then still a bit too good looking to me. But that's what many really want to see, both ways. Can't entirely say that doesn't apply to me either. In any event, that's all something else..

Ahem, back to Terminator specifically - I agree completely - Biehn really looked the part of some, if not starved, then not well-nourished, lean but fit survivor-type. The Terminator was originally meant to be Lance Henriksen, a real infiltrator something more normal and average guy looking (indeed, like most actual serial killers and the like). Which I think might have been fine. Of course Arnold wanting that role changed that but even so, despite his bulk, it wasn't too overblown (some movies emphasized Arnold's build a lot, T1 not so much to me), and I think his demeanor in that character more than anything cemented his role as an emotionless killing machine. I personally think Robert Patrick in T2 one-upped that by providing that same menacing inhumanity in a much more normal looking wrapper. He was fucken awesome. 

But now comes recent years where everything is overdone, and in a bad way - A needlessly sexualized Terminator (T-X), Arnold continuing to come back, and other such ridiculousness. And now it's coming full-circle, yet another franchise trying to capitalize on success stuck in the past, trying to recapture, even in-part, that glorious 80s awesomeness because they can't make something awesome on its own.. And here I am just bitching again.. Bah. Oh well. :?


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RoboPimp

Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:47 pm



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I don't remember Captain America being some hunk, he was a regular dude.

I'm gonna have to correct you on this one. He was a regular dude, just a 90 pound weakling, until he received the super soldier serum which caused him to immediately turn into beefcake.

http://i42.tinypic.com/sxdjqv.jpg


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Stan The Man

Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:12 am



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Well, as I said, I didn't remember that. In any event, he at least might have a rationale for having some hunk being cast for that role there. Some of these other characters not so much. I think we still have valid point(s) anyway.


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RoboPimp

Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:27 am



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Yes those points do apply to a plethora of films, but not really comic book movies. I read any interesting letter from John Byrne describing his ire at how Cyclops had gone from being a normal guy with powers to a bodybuilder type no different from the rest...that's just a trend in comic though, to have all the heros be freakishly muscular. Comics sometimes get a bad rap for idealizing or over-sexualizing women, but to be fair they do the same to men.


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Stan The Man

Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:52 am



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Yes those points do apply to a plethora of films, but not really comic book movies. I read any interesting letter from John Byrne describing his ire at how Cyclops had gone from being a normal guy with powers to a bodybuilder type no different from the rest...that's just a trend in comic though, to have all the heros be freakishly muscular. Comics sometimes get a bad rap for idealizing or over-sexualizing women, but to be fair they do the same to men.

This is true, and as I said previously that is a door that swings both ways in the films too. Still, seeing so much of these bodybuilder-type physiques is just a bit much, especially lately as it seems to be happening a lot nowadays, the trend as you guys have said. Just not not into it so much. I still concur with artuditu about how unnecessary it is - Especially in regards to this film.


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artuditu

Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:10 am



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Yes those points do apply to a plethora of films, but not really comic book movies. I read any interesting letter from John Byrne describing his ire at how Cyclops had gone from being a normal guy with powers to a bodybuilder type no different from the rest...that's just a trend in comic though, to have all the heros be freakishly muscular. Comics sometimes get a bad rap for idealizing or over-sexualizing women, but to be fair they do the same to men.

http://okayface.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/he-man.jpg

:b 

Maybe my example of Captain America was not the best, it's true that comic books exaggerate a lot the muscularity of superheroes, (I actually hate the bodybuilder Batman we see in most comics, I still prefer Michael Keaton just bulked up by the the suit and still looking like a muscular greek statue from antiquity), although even in comics you have examples like Spiderman (or the early Spawn) that go for an athletic look, with muscle definition but just not massive. 

Going back to films I could also say that Hugh Jackman has a physique that doesn't go crazy about muscle mass. He is obviously more bulky than Spiderman, still extremely defined though and surely not as massive as Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth or even Henry Cavill. He would be better compared with prime Van Damme, you actually could think Hugh Jackman's Wolverine is a Mixed Martial Arts professional and that is much more frightening than a big bodybuilder or WWE wrestler.

And going back to non-superhero films, did Bruce Willis ever need to be ripped to kick asses? In Die Hard he was obviously a strong guy with good constitution, but never needed to look close to Van Damme or Stallone, that was the whole point of Die Hard! But guess what, in Die Hard 5 they present us his son, this Jay Courtney (Kyle Reese in T5), who is a CIA officer in international missions that has time to go to gym 5 days a week for a couple of hours a day and not miss any single protein shake.


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Stan The Man

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^ I agree, just doesn't seem necessary. As I noted prior the T1000 was Robert Patrick, definitely not some hulking tank meant to one-up Arnold that way, and it worked fine. Early Bruce Willis is a good example. Ditto on Keaton. I think you can include Mel Gibson to an extent there as well. Guys that are certainly fit, even a bit built but not looking like some strong-man contenders. 

I think Jim is still right-on with his point about Courtney - He doesn't look like a not-well-nourished post-apocalyptic survivor. I remember there was discussion of this point some years before in another thread in regards to recent horror films (I think it was for Zombie's Halloween, IIRC), and how they also cast these massive he-man types for these roles when again, I don't see the import of it so much. Bah, point's been made, not gonna keep belaboring it myself.

That said, did anyone get peeved and even creeped out by how Arnold's endo hand looked in the trailer? Bah..


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Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:55 pm



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^ I agree, just doesn't seem necessary. As I noted prior the T1000 was Robert Patrick, definitely not some hulking tank meant to one-up Arnold that way, and it worked fine.

Fucking right, and I think it added to Patricks bad assness (that a word?) because it showed them as equals strength wise and he wasn't even in the same ball park as muscle man goes compared to Arnie, the couple of scenes where it was hand to hand showed that.

I'm guessing there will be a lot of shirtless scenes showing off his uber hard sexy chest.


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Victorboris1

Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:43 pm



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^ I agree, just doesn't seem necessary. As I noted prior the T1000 was Robert Patrick, definitely not some hulking tank meant to one-up Arnold that way, and it worked fine.

Fucking right, and I think it added to Patricks bad assness (that a word?) because it showed them as equals strength wise and he wasn't even in the same ball park as muscle man goes compared to Arnie, the couple of scenes where it was hand to hand showed that.

I'm guessing there will be a lot of shirtless scenes showing off his uber hard sexy chest.

Plus it also helps that Robert Patrick has this perfect emotionless face to him.


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artuditu

Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:28 am



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New superbowl tv-spot

http://butacaancha.com/spot-de-superbowl-de-terminator-genisys/

http://iwatchstuff.com/2015/01/29/terminator-superbowl.jpg


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Stan The Man

Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:51 pm



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^  Well, I do suppose this is better than the 'tinfoil' suit.. :b

Seriously though - That's supposed to be the T1000, right? Then why does he look solid, like he's wearing a Rebootsuit one-off? Why can't he look liquid smooth like he's supposed to? They were able to do that 25 years ago.. 

Bah, seems like for every step forward these things take they take about another three steps backward elsewhere. Make no mistake, I'm still gonna check it out, but damn man.


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artuditu

Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:08 pm



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I don't think it's the t-1000 since we have seen him in other trailers.

http://cdn3-i.hitc-s.com/220/untitled_2_104762.jpg

Looks like a new terminator, I hope not just again a t-800/t-1000 mix like the T-X from the third movie.


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Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:13 pm



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I'm really not seeing any of the other characters in these trailers. I just can't buy this is supposed to be Connor and Reese.

I really want this to be good, The Terminator and Judgement Day are two of my favourite films (not my all time mind you  :wink:) but I think this is going to be a steaming pile of horse shit.

At least it has Arnie in it...


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Stan The Man

Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:20 am



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I'm really not seeing any of the other characters in these trailers. I just can't buy this is supposed to be Connor and Reese.

I really want this to be good, The Terminator and Judgement Day are two of my favourite films (not my all time mind you  :wink:) but I think this is going to be a steaming pile of horse shit.

At least it has Arnie in it...

My thoughts precisely at this point.


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ChAnOoD

Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:37 pm



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At least it has Arnie in it...

"Terminator 3" has Arnold in it as well, and itīs not a good movie for a lot of people.

Hell, even "Salvation" has Arnie there. Ok, it was a crappy CGI version of him doing a cameo, but well...  :b


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Sin_Valor

Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:15 pm



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Judging from the tv spot, I can't tell whether this is supposed to be the last Terminator film or the beginning of another set of movies.

There is no way they're making Arnold go through 2 or 3 more of these shitty instalments.

Maybe they're doing this just to celebrate 30 years of the first movie (which I guess seems thoughtful of them), but they honestly can't be milking this franchise all over again...especially after Salvation.


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ChAnOoD

Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:36 am



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Judging from the tv spot, I can't tell whether this is supposed to be the last Terminator film or the beginning of another set of movies.

Wasnīt their idea to make some kind of trilogy while they still have the rights? Just doing those before the rights go back to Cameron.

Anyway, this franchise, like RoboCop, is hard to keep going with it. "RoboCop" ends and wraps it very well. How to continue it? Same with Terminator. They serve their purposes, but if you keep doing more and more it adds little to the universe, except for new FX and over the top situations.


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AlexMurphy

Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:52 am



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Judging from the tv spot, I can't tell whether this is supposed to be the last Terminator film or the beginning of another set of movies.

Not the last. It was reported early on that this is intended to be a trilogy of Terminator films (before the rights go back Cameron). Though they wanted to to do that with Salvation and we know how that plan worked.


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artuditu

Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:04 am



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New trailer FULL of spoilers, don't watch it if you want to see the movie with innocent eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGSxss7gWak


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Stan The Man

Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:44 pm



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Bah, my eyes already got a beast-raping from those old pictures ages ago. Though I didn't need a further gang-bang from this clip, though.. Bah..

That said, yes, this trailer is very spolierish and reveals a lot - too much - so forewarned is forearmed or whatever the hell.


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Slash Man

Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:47 am



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What am I looking forward to most? Easily the fight between the old and new Terminator. I just hope it lasts longer than 5 seconds. The body double technology was actually a highlight of Salvation, and so far looks even better here.

My head hurts from all the plot twists introduced into the continuity of the original film, but it's all in good Terminator fun. I love seeing the old locations revisited. No matter how bad (or good) this turns out, it looks like it'll be a riot now that Arnie's back on board.


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Sean_001

Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:32 pm



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Now that I've had time to process the new trailer...

Does anyone realize that because The "hero" terminator of the story battles the "original" terminator (1984), Bill Paxton's character gets to live? 

"Eat this Scum."


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artuditu

Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:56 pm



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Seems the movie is getting panned by the critics (27% rotten tomatoes), not doing too bad in the box office, neither great. 

Haven't seen it yet, I thought it was going to be a decent entertainment like "X-Men: Days of Future Past" with a lot of fan service, but with the trailer full of spoilers from April I lost all faith.


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Stan The Man

Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:46 am



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It seems critics are slamming the film, but even with some folks I know on FB and such, it's been mixed - I've heard some good things from some, others, well, not really bad, but not all that good either.

A notable point I've been hearing is it's gonna be tough to follow much of it unless you have a decent background of the first two films - If so I'm sure that screws up any new viewers right there.

In any event I remain no more optimistic than before, I guess I'll see and judge for myself in due course.


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RoboPimp

Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:55 am



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My mom said it was "wonderful", but I don't know if that bodes good or bad for me. When i mentioned I was worried the trailer revealed too much she said she there are definitely some surprises, though, so I think I'll go see it soon.


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JimWantsAliens

Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:38 am



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The marketing folks need to be shot - you'd think they'd have learnt from spoiling the Sam Worthington character in Salvation.

It's worth a watch if you're a fan. Emilia Clarke impressed me as Sarah Connor - I never watched The SC Chronicles so she's only ever been Linda Hamilton to me.

Hope they do another.


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Officer Igor Antunes

Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:26 pm



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I've seen yesterday here. It's a real nice homage to the franchise, it was like visiting an old friend. Arnold is still spectacular as T-800, and we have some nice moments of nostalgia (mostly by the 1984 sequences).

Unlike RoboCop 2014, Genesys was made to please classic Terminator fans, but i can't see it as a "serious" Terminator movie with the integrity and realistic appeal that reach the T1's and T2's masterpiece levels.

It's a movie that ends in itself and probably concludes Arnold's Terminator saga forever. They'll need to reboot this thing to keep Terminator franchise running in the future.

As strange as it seems, i think Genesys it's the "RoboCop 4" that we have never seen. I encourage you guys to watch it.


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Mindchamber

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:10 pm



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i enjoyed the play on continuty, and its easiely the cheesiest one of them all..

I enjoyed it on the cheese factor alone,.. but it made more plot holes/time paradoxes than the first 3 ever could...

And thumbs up for DrWho


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vegasrobo

Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:22 pm



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So I finally got to check this out a couple weeks ago.At first I thought it was alright but after letting it marinate for awhile in my head juices,I've decided its a pretty lame flick.With the exception of Arnold the movie just didn't work for me.Tone was just flat wrong,No one ever seemed in any real danger it's a lifeless reflection of its former self.


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RoboJOF

Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:41 am



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(possible spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't seen it yet!)
Help me understand this:
The new villain was from a different timeline, implying there are multiple timelines, but all the previous movies operated on the old linear model of time (like in Back to the Future) where time is a single line that time travelers jump back and forth in. 
I am sure that the change was just a way to make a new movie possible, but doesn't this make the time travel in the older movies seem less realistic? And was the new T1000 supposed to be the same guy from T2 (Robert Patrick's character) or a different T1000 sent back to 1984 instead of 1992?
Maybe I am overthinking this, but I had a hard time working it all out in my head.


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Victorboris1

Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:40 pm



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(possible spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't seen it yet!)
Help me understand this:
The new villain was from a different timeline, implying there are multiple timelines, but all the previous movies operated on the old linear model of time (like in Back to the Future) where time is a single line that time travelers jump back and forth in. 
I am sure that the change was just a way to make a new movie possible, but doesn't this make the time travel in the older movies seem less realistic? And was the new T1000 supposed to be the same guy from T2 (Robert Patrick's character) or a different T1000 sent back to 1984 instead of 1992?
Maybe I am overthinking this, but I had a hard time working it all out in my head.

Different T1000, sent from another timeline, and so is Pops T800. There's a theory that this T1000 was the Terminator responsible for killing Sarah's parents, cause she says a T1000 killed her parents during the scene in which both her and Kyle are incarcerated in a police van. So they spent this entire time hiding, training, and arming themselves, while the Korean T1000 defaulted to his secondary objective, which was to kill Kyle Reese once he came back from the future.


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artuditu

Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:39 pm



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This movie is exactly the worst I could imagine since I saw that trailer full of spoilers (if you thought maybe the final movie could explain all the nonsense, well it doesn't, the movie is exactly what you see in the trailer but 2 hours longer).

Only the part involving T1 remade scenes is somewhat OK, but it's probably no more than 10-15 minutes (there is nothing revisited from T2 as it was suggested and speculated initially, when I had the hope it could be a smart and fun "Back to the Future II" type of sequel). The rest is a huge LAZY mess of a plot and the most boring action scenes you can imagine. How far from the original movies where you could feel in every single scene the high stakes and the tension. 

It is as bad as Die Hard 5 (Jay Courtney on both by the way) or even worse. To be honest, after seeing Die Hard 5 and Terminator Genisys (and Predators, Ninja Turtles, Conan the Barbarian, Indiana Jones 4) maybe we should feel more grateful about Robo remake... It is a masterpiece in comparison.


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Victorboris1

Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:02 am



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To be honest, after seeing Die Hard 5 and Terminator Genisys (and Predators, Ninja Turtles, Conan the Barbarian, Indiana Jones 4) maybe we should feel more grateful about Robo remake... It is a masterpiece in comparison.

I totally agree with you. Of all the remakes we've been getting, Robomake is the only one I'd recommend. Genisys would be much better even with its mess of a convoluted plot if we got a decent couple of actors for the main characters, both Jai "The Wall" Courtney and Emilia "Fatass" Clarke are catastrophically atrocious. I really liked the soundtrack though.


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RoboPimp

Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:15 am



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 To be honest, after seeing Die Hard 5 and Terminator Genisys (and Predators, Ninja Turtles, Conan the Barbarian, Indiana Jones 4) maybe we should feel more grateful about Robo remake... It is a masterpiece in comparison.

I think Predators is leagues better than the Robo remake... its good because it doesn't erase previous continuity. One thing I can say in this age of remakes and sequels and everything in between, I always like the stuff that builds off previous continuity instead of negating it. Even if they aren't very good movies they are usually enjoyable like the Marvel Studios movies, while Fox just rebooted Fantastic Four and failed. I'd always rather sit through a shitty sequel than a shitty origin story that we've already seen, especially when they fuck with the stuff that made it good the first time. So i would have to say the Robo reboot is no better than any of the other reboots to come out in the past decade, they are all mediocre

(and not to get offtopic but speaking of Predators did you know there is a sequel in the works? it is written by everyone's favorite Robo scribe Fred Dekker and cowritten and directed by Shane Black. Interestingly they both worked together before on Robocop 3 where Black played Donnelly. Now there's some interesting Robo trivia / news / history for you if I've ever hear it).


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artuditu

Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:57 am



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 To be honest, after seeing Die Hard 5 and Terminator Genisys (and Predators, Ninja Turtles, Conan the Barbarian, Indiana Jones 4) maybe we should feel more grateful about Robo remake... It is a masterpiece in comparison.

I think Predators is leagues better than the Robo remake... its good because it doesn't erase previous continuity. One thing I can say in this age of remakes and sequels and everything in between, I always like the stuff that builds off previous continuity instead of negating it.

Well, that sole argument is not enough for me, Die Hard 5 and Indiana Jones 4 don't mess up the previous continuity, and yet I would be much happier if I never saw them and they never were done. 

Predators I didn't like it because it's a perfect example of lazy and generic plot (instead of the original movies where the screenwriters had to develop the scenario and the characters, here they just throw a bunch of people like a Saw movie and we'll see them die, that's it). Also Predator is anyway a franchise easy to make sequels and not reboots, right from the first sequel they discarded Arnold (just a little mention to him), the predator always dies and never has a larger impact in the context of the movie, we don't know much about them, you just need one or a few coming to hunt some new human preys. I don't see much continuity there, unless you bring in Arnold or Danny Glover characters it feels more like some isolated episodes with different characters (something you can't do with franchises like Die Hard or Indiana Jones or Robocop), the only consistency needed is for the predators to look and act more or less the same (something that didn't happen in AvP by the way, which you can say was the film that most added to the continuity of the Predator franchise, but in such a poor way that the next films just ignored it).

The only "positive" thing about Genisys now that I think about it is how I hated Terminator Salvation, but now I feel more inclined to be merciful with it.

Oh, add Prometheus to the list of bad sequels/reboots of the recent years, maybe not as atrocious as the ones listed before, but I think Robomake has some credentials to be a better movie (not much better, agreed).


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Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:41 am



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The only "positive" thing about Genisys now that I think about it is how I hated Terminator Salvation, but now I feel more inclined to be merciful with it.



As bad as Genisys was, it still was miles better than Salvation. I also think that Indy 4 and TMNT did much better than Genisys and the rest of the bunch and get too much of a bad rap they don't really deserve.

But it is true that none of them are "Mad Max: Fury Road" either  :b


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Stan The Man

Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:43 pm



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 To be honest, after seeing Die Hard 5 and Terminator Genisys (and Predators, Ninja Turtles, Conan the Barbarian, Indiana Jones 4) maybe we should feel more grateful about Robo remake... It is a masterpiece in comparison.

I think Predators is leagues better than the Robo remake... its good because it doesn't erase previous continuity. One thing I can say in this age of remakes and sequels and everything in between, I always like the stuff that builds off previous continuity instead of negating it.

Well, that sole argument is not enough for me, Die Hard 5 and Indiana Jones 4 don't mess up the previous continuity, and yet I would be much happier if I never saw them and they never were done. 

Predators I didn't like it because it's a perfect example of lazy and generic plot (instead of the original movies where the screenwriters had to develop the scenario and the characters, here they just throw a bunch of people like a Saw movie and we'll see them die, that's it). Also Predator is anyway a franchise easy to make sequels and not reboots, right from the first sequel they discarded Arnold (just a little mention to him), the predator always dies and never has a larger impact in the context of the movie, we don't know much about them, you just need one or a few coming to hunt some new human preys. I don't see much continuity there, unless you bring in Arnold or Danny Glover characters it feels more like some isolated episodes with different characters (something you can't do with franchises like Die Hard or Indiana Jones or Robocop), the only consistency needed is for the predators to look and act more or less the same (something that didn't happen in AvP by the way, which you can say was the film that most added to the continuity of the Predator franchise, but in such a poor way that the next films just ignored it).

The only "positive" thing about Genisys now that I think about it is how I hated Terminator Salvation, but now I feel more inclined to be merciful with it.

Oh, add Prometheus to the list of bad sequels/reboots of the recent years, maybe not as atrocious as the ones listed before, but I think Robomake has some credentials to be a better movie (not much better, agreed).

I'm with all of this pretty much. Like Pimp I too lean more to wanting sequels rather than straight remakes but that alone isn't enough, still need a story that's a worth a damn and still need to bring some new bits to the table. Though I'm not sure I'd stop being so hard on Salvation myself.. :b I agree about R2014 - Droll though it is itself, it at least something of something, not sure I can say the same with most of these other.. things.

Still haven't seen Genisys - Just ain't ever been real worked up about it, that all the reviews I've heard from folks and trusted spots are generally mixed at best. Ultimately it seems to be mostly as I thought, a nostalgia fix in a shiny new wrapper and little more than that. I'll catch it later.


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Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:59 am



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Genisys was one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time. All you need to know is it shits over the lore established in the first two films, makes Rise Of The Machines and Salvation look good, and features scenes that were probably written by a 12 year old who thought they'd look cool on screen but serve no purpose.

One scene involves our heroes chasing a bad guy in a chopper as he escapes in another one. As you see in the trailer Arnie jumps out and dive bombs the escaping chopper to make sure it doesn't arrive at the location before them. Well, that bad guy still arrives first, rendering that action completely pointless as it's just there to look cool.

I'd take the RoboCop reboot over this in a heartbeat...


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artuditu

Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:14 pm



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One scene involves our heroes chasing a bad guy in a chopper as he escapes in another one. As you see in the trailer Arnie jumps out and dive bombs the escaping chopper to make sure it doesn't arrive at the location before them. Well, that bad guy still arrives first, rendering that action completely pointless as it's just there to look cool.

That is one good example of many. The entire movie is like that, they shoot or temporarily freeze in some way the bad guy, they go running and the bad guy appears again, everywhere, so they shoot him or throw him away, they run and he appears again and again. Seriously, how lazy a screenplay can get? No more than this for sure.

Compare that to T2 where every encounter with the T-1000 is carefully built up, every action scene is unique and not generic, and that is why everybody remember it. Damn even T3 had a few of those, not as good but anyway, you can see the point.

By the way CGI looks quite shitty in this movie, starting with the war in the future at the beginning, if I could define the problem with CGI in general is how weightless the robots feel, it's not just the texture, which can look good, but as soon as they move or walk you don't feel the gravity is the same. The chopper chase scene is another example of subpar CGI.


makes Rise Of The Machines and Salvation look good

I just felt exactly like that in the Die Hard franchise, I was very angry at the lack of quality of Die Hard 4 compared to its predecessors, but when I saw Die Hard 5, oh man... It was as if the franchise was relegated to another league, kind of direct-to-dvd action movie, it was painful to watch Bruce Willis in there. Die Hard 4 looks now OK to me. Don't say something can't get worse... You never know.


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NOF

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http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/02/terminator-saga-terminated-by-genysis-box-office-failure


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RoboJOF

Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:04 am



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I agree with most of the comments here, Genisys, although an interesting revision of the Terminator history (Probably for the purpose of making room for more additional sequels), it was not a good addition to the long history of Terminator films. That being said, few of the sequels are. I liked T2, but to be fair, it also took a lot of liberties with the original story (John Conner reprogramming the T800 before sending him back, the original movie not working to change the future). I guess the way it was done seemed more plausible, and like RoboPimp and Artu mentioned, it didn't change the prior films, but added to them. Terminator 3 and Genisys were also very lighthearted compared to the first two and maybe that made them less serious.
Also, I thought it was cool to read about some of the groups' thoughts on recent remakes.
I would say that the best remake I have seen in a while was The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The Robocop remake was good too, but like Genisys, it didn't match the mood of the other films.


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vegasrobo

Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:25 pm



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Having watched it a second time I'd say the main problem with the flick beyond its productions rushed nature,Lays solely at the feet of the directors lack of decisiveness in what kind of tone he was looking for "its all over the place" even shifting gears into straight comedy at the Golden Gate Bridge with the cops bit!..Terrible!..Just rips you outta the moment right when you give the movie a chance!..Further blame lays at the feet of the "Heroic" leads Jai Courtney and Emilia Clarke,They suck!..Not only are they woefully miscast their constant facial mugging made it hard to get into anything the were saying.Terrible!.And this was the same production that kept using T3 as what not to do?.Oh makes me pine for what could've been.


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artuditu

Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:06 pm



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Having watched it a second time I'd say the main problem with the flick beyond its productions rushed nature,Lays solely at the feet of the directors lack of decisiveness in what kind of tone he was looking for "its all over the place" even shifting gears into straight comedy at the Golden Gate Bridge with the cops bit!..Terrible!..

I wouldn't say the confusing tone is the main problem (for me that honor goes to the story hands down) but it is an interesting thing to analyse. If you think about it, even the first 2 terminator films had some bits of comedy here and there, but I think it was always contained in specific moments of the narrative, and never mixed with the action, the action was always tense and the stakes high. Now because of Marvel influence they try to put the comedy everywhere, and it just doesn't fit in a Terminator film. T3 was a first step, but I think even then they managed to have more comedy (self-parody really) in a smarter way, not everywhere.

I agree Courtney and Clarke were atrocious. Clarke is just too short to be an action character, she looks out of place carrying a shotgun bigger than her.


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vegasrobo

Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:16 pm



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Heres the thing,I don't hate this movie,Unlike Robo 2014 which I loathe,I don't think the intended Genisys to become what it did.I really wish it was good.Arnold certainly did his part,But its like everyone else involved gave a shit..


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artuditu

Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:50 pm



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Heres the thing,I don't hate this movie,Unlike Robo 2014 which I loathe,I don't think the intended Genisys to become what it did.I really wish it was good.Arnold certainly did his part,But its like everyone else involved gave a shit..

I have to strongly disagree :)

At least Robomake tried to be a movie on its own terms, with its own personality, even if it overall failed it tried and was able to bring Robo franchise to new lands. 

Genisys was just a poor (and very lazy) pretext to milk everything that was left in the cow (Terminator franchise). I would rather watch Robocop 3 a hundred times, than Genisys one single time more (and if you go back to the first pages of this thread I was very supportive of this movie when its first details were revealed).


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Edd 209

Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:30 am



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Also, I thought it was cool to read about some of the groups' thoughts on recent remakes.

Definitely  :wink: 

I would say that the best remake I have seen in a while was The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

 :ohdear: 

Anyway, back on to Genisys.  Haven't seen it.  The initial trailers looked really good and I thought it was going to redeem the franchise from Salvation.  But then later trailers popped up portraying remade characters and scenes from T1 and T2 and I couldn't care less as it gave the impression of unoriginality and rehashing.

I like R2014 for what it is.  It will never be R1 and that will never be equalled.  But the settings and themes are current and doesn't rely/lend itsself heavily on comic book style action that is all the trend these days.  I'll keep watching this movie.  I love the Turtles and Terminator franchises but their recent attempts unfortunately don't make any connection to me,


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I would say that the best remake I have seen in a while was The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The Robocop remake was good too, but like Genisys, it didn't match the mood of the other films.

As long as we count "Mad Max: Fury Road" as a sequel and not a reboot, reimagining or whatever, I'll have to agree. TMNT did the best of the bunch. And coming from me, that's saying A LOT since I was prepared to really dish on that movie.

The problem with Genisys is that it threw the screen away halfway through the movie. It tried for a little bit in the beginning and then it all just went downhill to the point where even the writers stopped caring.

RoboCop TRIED. It wanted to be something decent, it worked in some ways, failed miserably in others. I appreciate it tried to do something relatively different, problem is it didn't do it very well. I actually enjoyed it on my first viewing, probably because I had my expectations set pretty low. On a second viewing though, it wasn't nearly as good.

Both RoboCop and Terminator had poor casting choices in my opinion. While it was great seeing Arnie back and Michael Keaton and Gary Oldman were enjoyable in Rebootcop, the rest of the cast felt really out of place. I never liked Joel Kinnaman as a choice and when the movie came out, I was really disappointed by both his acting and the way his character was written.

TMNT however... actually did plenty of things right. While I definitely would've liked someone else as April instead of Megan Fox, and while I wasn't a fan of the Turtles' designs (I think Leo and Donnie turned out the best), considering the ammount of backlash there was against this movie and all the reshoots... it turned out MUCH better than expected. It nailed the Turtles' personalities, for the most part (a couple of "dirty" lines from Mikey bothered me), it had neat action scenes and some of the humor was spot on. A bit of fan-service here and there too. Yes, the villains' plot was pretty dumb, but as much as I love the original flicks - it's not like the villains had some great scheme in those either. I really enjoyed FINALLY getting a proper scene of the Turtles fighting Shredder and, believe it or not, I'm really looking forward to the sequel, mostly because from what I've seen so far, they are trying to rectify a lot of the first movie's mistakes.

