Frank Miller's RoboCop TPB Discussion

[KidGoesWild]

Nver had a chance top read it plus after readin enormous criticism all over the net from critics I wasnt in a rush to pick it up. In addition to all that, Not much of a Frank Miller fan, hated The Dark Knight Returns and think that Miller relies too much on shocking twists and ideas rather than a good story that would satisfy the fans of what was established before. Hated his ideas of female robin and gay joker and all that. So now I finally picked up Frank Miller's robocop and found out that he did the same thing with robocop. Now I know that Green picked all the good pieces from Miller's script and discarded all the rest, which was about 90%. Theres very little in Miller's Robo of what was in the movie, Im surprised he's credited first. But cmon, things like Robo and Lewis making out, the Rambolina Lewis, pregnant Ellen, its all terrible imo. I also hated the idea of robo walking away, it makes no sense whatosever. He was just convinced that hes not a human being that can have a normal life. I like Kershner's idea better, that even with free will he decides to stay and that his duty is what he sees as his purpose in life and what keeps him from blowing his head off

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Nver had a chance top read it plus after readin enormous criticism all over the net from critics I wasnt in a rush to pick it up. In addition to all that, Not much of a Frank Miller fan, hated The Dark Knight Returns and think that Miller relies too much on shocking twists and ideas rather than a good story that would satisfy the fans of what was established before. Hated his ideas of female robin and gay joker and all that. So now I finally picked up Frank Miller's robocop and found out that he did the same thing with robocop. Now I know that Green picked all the good pieces from Miller's script and discarded all the rest, which was about 90%. Theres very little in Miller's Robo of what was in the movie, Im surprised he's credited first. But cmon, things like Robo and Lewis making out, the Rambolina Lewis, pregnant Ellen, its all terrible imo. I also hated the idea of robo walking away, it makes no sense whatosever. He was just convinced that hes not a human being that can have a normal life. I like Kershner's idea better, that even with free will he decides to stay and that his duty is what he sees as his purpose in life and what keeps him from blowing his head off

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Nver had a chance top read it plus after readin enormous criticism all over the net from critics I wasnt in a rush to pick it up. In addition to all that, Not much of a Frank Miller fan, hated The Dark Knight Returns and think that Miller relies too much on shocking twists and ideas rather than a good story that would satisfy the fans of what was established before. Hated his ideas of female robin and gay joker and all that. So now I finally picked up Frank Miller's robocop and found out that he did the same thing with robocop. Now I know that Green picked all the good pieces from Miller's script and discarded all the rest, which was about 90%. Theres very little in Miller's Robo of what was in the movie, Im surprised he's credited first. But cmon, things like Robo and Lewis making out, the Rambolina Lewis, pregnant Ellen, its all terrible imo. I also hated the idea of robo walking away, it makes no sense whatosever. He was just convinced that hes not a human being that can have a normal life. I like Kershner's idea better, that even with free will he decides to stay and that his duty is what he sees as his purpose in life and what keeps him from blowing his head off

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Nver had a chance top read it plus after readin enormous criticism all over the net from critics I wasnt in a rush to pick it up. In addition to all that, Not much of a Frank Miller fan, hated The Dark Knight Returns and think that Miller relies too much on shocking twists and ideas rather than a good story that would satisfy the fans of what was established before. Hated his ideas of female robin and gay joker and all that. So now I finally picked up Frank Miller's robocop and found out that he did the same thing with robocop. Now I know that Green picked all the good pieces from Miller's script and discarded all the rest, which was about 90%. Theres very little in Miller's Robo of what was in the movie, Im surprised he's credited first. But cmon, things like Robo and Lewis making out, the Rambolina Lewis, pregnant Ellen, its all terrible imo. I also hated the idea of robo walking away, it makes no sense whatosever. He was just convinced that hes not a human being that can have a normal life. I like Kershner's idea better, that even with free will he decides to stay and that his duty is what he sees as his purpose in life and what keeps him from blowing his head off

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I get the feeling that a lot of the visual stuff, such as turning every female into a half naked hooker, is purely "Avatar press" and the artists work. If you look at some of that companies other titles it's pretty shady stuff.

No fan of the book at all though. It's a mess on a lot of levels.

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I get the feeling that a lot of the visual stuff, such as turning every female into a half naked hooker, is purely "Avatar press" and the artists work. If you look at some of that companies other titles it's pretty shady stuff.

No fan of the book at all though. It's a mess on a lot of levels.

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I get the feeling that a lot of the visual stuff, such as turning every female into a half naked hooker, is purely "Avatar press" and the artists work. If you look at some of that companies other titles it's pretty shady stuff.

No fan of the book at all though. It's a mess on a lot of levels.

[KidGoesWild]

Ive heard so too, but those things are the least of the problems. I dont think Miller's script was unfilmable just for budgetary reasons, its just really a comic book style story and doesnt fit like a major movie or any movie at all. It has no pacing, no real buildup or dialogue, almost none of the corporate stuff. And I used to defend Miller so many times because I thought that, since credited first, a vast majority of R2 script is his. It appears that Green did the entire work just using Miller's ideas. Same with Dekker - seems like Dekker penned the script using some of the ideas. Did Miller even specifically work on R3 or did Dekker just took his script and worked on it?

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Ive heard so too, but those things are the least of the problems. I dont think Miller's script was unfilmable just for budgetary reasons, its just really a comic book style story and doesnt fit like a major movie or any movie at all. It has no pacing, no real buildup or dialogue, almost none of the corporate stuff. And I used to defend Miller so many times because I thought that, since credited first, a vast majority of R2 script is his. It appears that Green did the entire work just using Miller's ideas. Same with Dekker - seems like Dekker penned the script using some of the ideas. Did Miller even specifically work on R3 or did Dekker just took his script and worked on it?

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Ive heard so too, but those things are the least of the problems. I dont think Miller's script was unfilmable just for budgetary reasons, its just really a comic book style story and doesnt fit like a major movie or any movie at all. It has no pacing, no real buildup or dialogue, almost none of the corporate stuff. And I used to defend Miller so many times because I thought that, since credited first, a vast majority of R2 script is his. It appears that Green did the entire work just using Miller's ideas. Same with Dekker - seems like Dekker penned the script using some of the ideas. Did Miller even specifically work on R3 or did Dekker just took his script and worked on it?

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Ive heard so too, but those things are the least of the problems. I dont think Miller's script was unfilmable just for budgetary reasons, its just really a comic book style story and doesnt fit like a major movie or any movie at all. It has no pacing, no real buildup or dialogue, almost none of the corporate stuff. And I used to defend Miller so many times because I thought that, since credited first, a vast majority of R2 script is his. It appears that Green did the entire work just using Miller's ideas. Same with Dekker - seems like Dekker penned the script using some of the ideas. Did Miller even specifically work on R3 or did Dekker just took his script and worked on it?

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The draft that got turned into a comic was the first draft, out of seven, so a lot can happen during that time. It was of course also parts of this draft that got turned into a RoboCop3 script later on.

The 4th draft that i have resemble the finished movie pretty well apart from a bunch of scenes that was cut.

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The draft that got turned into a comic was the first draft, out of seven, so a lot can happen during that time. It was of course also parts of this draft that got turned into a RoboCop3 script later on.

The 4th draft that i have resemble the finished movie pretty well apart from a bunch of scenes that was cut.

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The draft that got turned into a comic was the first draft, out of seven, so a lot can happen during that time. It was of course also parts of this draft that got turned into a RoboCop3 script later on.

The 4th draft that i have resemble the finished movie pretty well apart from a bunch of scenes that was cut.

[KidGoesWild]

Yeah I thought Miller turned in the script which was then reworked by Green, but when I read the scans you guys posted it seems like Miller was reworking it all the time on Kershner's orders and worked closely with him

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Yeah I thought Miller turned in the script which was then reworked by Green, but when I read the scans you guys posted it seems like Miller was reworking it all the time on Kershner's orders and worked closely with him

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Yeah I thought Miller turned in the script which was then reworked by Green, but when I read the scans you guys posted it seems like Miller was reworking it all the time on Kershner's orders and worked closely with him

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Yeah I thought Miller turned in the script which was then reworked by Green, but when I read the scans you guys posted it seems like Miller was reworking it all the time on Kershner's orders and worked closely with him

[WeKilledYou]

I really can't think of a good reason or excuse as to why I have never read this. I've read a decent amount of Frank Millers work, but somehow this has eluded me all these years. I need to make it a priority to go out of my way and not only find but read the whole thing.

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I really can't think of a good reason or excuse as to why I have never read this. I've read a decent amount of Frank Millers work, but somehow this has eluded me all these years. I need to make it a priority to go out of my way and not only find but read the whole thing.

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I really can't think of a good reason or excuse as to why I have never read this. I've read a decent amount of Frank Millers work, but somehow this has eluded me all these years. I need to make it a priority to go out of my way and not only find but read the whole thing.

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I really can't think of a good reason or excuse as to why I have never read this. I've read a decent amount of Frank Millers work, but somehow this has eluded me all these years. I need to make it a priority to go out of my way and not only find but read the whole thing.

[Sin_Valor]

I am curious and interested to go check out the comics myself. I mean yeah Frank Miller has written and directed some crap, but maybe this won't be so bad...to say the least. Don't get me wrong, Miller is a good artist, I mean look at 'The Dark Knight Returns', but I'm a little concerned about what would happen if Miller was fully in charge of the sequels and how the story played out.

Does anyone know if this is released on ComiXology or some other digital comic site?
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I am curious and interested to go check out the comics myself. I mean yeah Frank Miller has written and directed some crap, but maybe this won't be so bad...to say the least. Don't get me wrong, Miller is a good artist, I mean look at 'The Dark Knight Returns', but I'm a little concerned about what would happen if Miller was fully in charge of the sequels and how the story played out.

Does anyone know if this is released on ComiXology or some other digital comic site?
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I am curious and interested to go check out the comics myself. I mean yeah Frank Miller has written and directed some crap, but maybe this won't be so bad...to say the least. Don't get me wrong, Miller is a good artist, I mean look at 'The Dark Knight Returns', but I'm a little concerned about what would happen if Miller was fully in charge of the sequels and how the story played out.

Does anyone know if this is released on ComiXology or some other digital comic site?
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I am curious and interested to go check out the comics myself. I mean yeah Frank Miller has written and directed some crap, but maybe this won't be so bad...to say the least. Don't get me wrong, Miller is a good artist, I mean look at 'The Dark Knight Returns', but I'm a little concerned about what would happen if Miller was fully in charge of the sequels and how the story played out.

Does anyone know if this is released on ComiXology or some other digital comic site?
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[razgriz21]

Anyone where I can pick these up?

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Anyone where I can pick these up?

[ireactions]

I bought mine off Kobo; you could probably find it on Amazon or eBay. Hey, I have a question -- was the BOOM! trade paperback for Frank Miller's comics recoloured?

I recall when the issues originally came out that the final two issue looked incredibly different from the first seven which were coloured by Nimbus Studios and had a very bright, high contrast, hypersaturated look. The eighth issue, however, was coloured by Austin McKinley. Nimbus Studios' brightness was replaced by a tan, dim shade that I didn't mind but it was like the very bright lights had suddenly gone dim.

And I recall the final issue coloured by another new colourist, Mark Sweeney. The pages were now cloaked in extremely dark, almost crushed blacks and blues. The art looked muddy and it had an awkward effect on the line weights and made Juan Jose Ryp's hyperdetailed renderings look like thumbnails scanned at too low a resolution. I don't have the originals anymore -- I think I gave them away.

However, I've been re-reading the hardcover and I was bracing myself for the shift in colour. But it didn't come. #8 and #9 have none of the colouring issues I describe above. They are definitely different from #1 - #7 in that the contrast and white levels on #8 and #9 are a little lower, but the shift is subtle and #9 now has the crisp, obsessive detail that was absent in the original printing -- at least as I recall. #9 is also a lot easier to read; I recall being really confused as to the RoboCop/RoboCop 2 battle, but now I can tell who's who and what's going where.

I'm wondering if the pages were recoloured or the files were touched up before the reprint to raise the brightness a bit to be closer to the first seven issues. Does anyone have the originals and the hardcover for a comparison?

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I bought mine off Kobo; you could probably find it on Amazon or eBay. Hey, I have a question -- was the BOOM! trade paperback for Frank Miller's comics recoloured?

I recall when the issues originally came out that the final two issue looked incredibly different from the first seven which were coloured by Nimbus Studios and had a very bright, high contrast, hypersaturated look. The eighth issue, however, was coloured by Austin McKinley. Nimbus Studios' brightness was replaced by a tan, dim shade that I didn't mind but it was like the very bright lights had suddenly gone dim.

And I recall the final issue coloured by another new colourist, Mark Sweeney. The pages were now cloaked in extremely dark, almost crushed blacks and blues. The art looked muddy and it had an awkward effect on the line weights and made Juan Jose Ryp's hyperdetailed renderings look like thumbnails scanned at too low a resolution. I don't have the originals anymore -- I think I gave them away.

However, I've been re-reading the hardcover and I was bracing myself for the shift in colour. But it didn't come. #8 and #9 have none of the colouring issues I describe above. They are definitely different from #1 - #7 in that the contrast and white levels on #8 and #9 are a little lower, but the shift is subtle and #9 now has the crisp, obsessive detail that was absent in the original printing -- at least as I recall. #9 is also a lot easier to read; I recall being really confused as to the RoboCop/RoboCop 2 battle, but now I can tell who's who and what's going where.

I'm wondering if the pages were recoloured or the files were touched up before the reprint to raise the brightness a bit to be closer to the first seven issues. Does anyone have the originals and the hardcover for a comparison?

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I bought mine off Kobo; you could probably find it on Amazon or eBay. Hey, I have a question -- was the BOOM! trade paperback for Frank Miller's comics recoloured?

I recall when the issues originally came out that the final two issue looked incredibly different from the first seven which were coloured by Nimbus Studios and had a very bright, high contrast, hypersaturated look. The eighth issue, however, was coloured by Austin McKinley. Nimbus Studios' brightness was replaced by a tan, dim shade that I didn't mind but it was like the very bright lights had suddenly gone dim.

And I recall the final issue coloured by another new colourist, Mark Sweeney. The pages were now cloaked in extremely dark, almost crushed blacks and blues. The art looked muddy and it had an awkward effect on the line weights and made Juan Jose Ryp's hyperdetailed renderings look like thumbnails scanned at too low a resolution. I don't have the originals anymore -- I think I gave them away.

However, I've been re-reading the hardcover and I was bracing myself for the shift in colour. But it didn't come. #8 and #9 have none of the colouring issues I describe above. They are definitely different from #1 - #7 in that the contrast and white levels on #8 and #9 are a little lower, but the shift is subtle and #9 now has the crisp, obsessive detail that was absent in the original printing -- at least as I recall. #9 is also a lot easier to read; I recall being really confused as to the RoboCop/RoboCop 2 battle, but now I can tell who's who and what's going where.

I'm wondering if the pages were recoloured or the files were touched up before the reprint to raise the brightness a bit to be closer to the first seven issues. Does anyone have the originals and the hardcover for a comparison?

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I believe you're right. Looking back, the reprint has more desaturated colors, but better defined outlines. It's subtle, but take a look at the original and compare:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Frank-Miller-s-Robocop/Issue-9?id=91138

I recently bought the BOOM TPB out of curiosity of the many ways the series could have been handled after the first film. I was actually expecting it to be a lot more different than the films, but there's still a clear lineage from the films back to Miller's ideas.

I can go a lot more in-depth, but I do think the stories were smoothed out for the movies. The RoboCop 2 treatment seemed like a great bit more of a departure from the first film. Also, I was never really a fan of killing off original characters, rather the way it was done. It seemed pretty bold that Miller either wanted a death to raise the stakes (with Reed), or simply to bring in his own original characters to essentially fill the same roles (Lewis, Old Man, Johnson).

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I believe you're right. Looking back, the reprint has more desaturated colors, but better defined outlines. It's subtle, but take a look at the original and compare:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Frank-Miller-s-Robocop/Issue-9?id=91138

I recently bought the BOOM TPB out of curiosity of the many ways the series could have been handled after the first film. I was actually expecting it to be a lot more different than the films, but there's still a clear lineage from the films back to Miller's ideas.

I can go a lot more in-depth, but I do think the stories were smoothed out for the movies. The RoboCop 2 treatment seemed like a great bit more of a departure from the first film. Also, I was never really a fan of killing off original characters, rather the way it was done. It seemed pretty bold that Miller either wanted a death to raise the stakes (with Reed), or simply to bring in his own original characters to essentially fill the same roles (Lewis, Old Man, Johnson).

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I believe you're right. Looking back, the reprint has more desaturated colors, but better defined outlines. It's subtle, but take a look at the original and compare:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Frank-Miller-s-Robocop/Issue-9?id=91138

I recently bought the BOOM TPB out of curiosity of the many ways the series could have been handled after the first film. I was actually expecting it to be a lot more different than the films, but there's still a clear lineage from the films back to Miller's ideas.

I can go a lot more in-depth, but I do think the stories were smoothed out for the movies. The RoboCop 2 treatment seemed like a great bit more of a departure from the first film. Also, I was never really a fan of killing off original characters, rather the way it was done. It seemed pretty bold that Miller either wanted a death to raise the stakes (with Reed), or simply to bring in his own original characters to essentially fill the same roles (Lewis, Old Man, Johnson).

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I believe you're right. Looking back, the reprint has more desaturated colors, but better defined outlines. It's subtle, but take a look at the original and compare:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Frank-Miller-s-Robocop/Issue-9?id=91138

I recently bought the BOOM TPB out of curiosity of the many ways the series could have been handled after the first film. I was actually expecting it to be a lot more different than the films, but there's still a clear lineage from the films back to Miller's ideas.

I can go a lot more in-depth, but I do think the stories were smoothed out for the movies. The RoboCop 2 treatment seemed like a great bit more of a departure from the first film. Also, I was never really a fan of killing off original characters, rather the way it was done. It seemed pretty bold that Miller either wanted a death to raise the stakes (with Reed), or simply to bring in his own original characters to essentially fill the same roles (Lewis, Old Man, Johnson).