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| ChAnOoD : | Thatīd be a fan made adaptation of PD, then. But wait a second, if someone would remaster and remix PD, maybe the sound mix would leave the voices at one channel and these things you said could be made  |
Exactly. 4-track mixes are produced when a series or film are locked/dubbed. Dialogue on one, music on another, effects on a third and (I think) atmos/ambience sounds on the 4th. May be wrong on that, but the primary 3 are kept separate.
| ChAnOoD : | | Personally, I donīt have any issue with that, but Iīm sure there are people who wouldnīt like it too much (as there are people who almost die when youīre trying to show them an old, black & white film ). I saw on the net some screengrabs of the Buffy TV show, and they changed the aspect ratio to 16:9 or something similar, so you can see cameras, crew people or boom microphones at each side. Imagine if they go that way. |
I'd heard they did that with "MacGyver", but clips of it (ripped from the BluRay) say otherwise. The original 4:3 aspect ratio has been maintained. That said, there are some shows which just look better in 16:9 than their filmed/shot 'box' format. I've watched those versions on TV, seen them again on disc and thought: "Now I see why the channels prepared widescreen copies" - but that only works if the series was photographed in a way, where there was a great deal of 'space' and room in the framing, without losing anything pertinent in a scene during that process.
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| Spectrum Scarlet : | | Exactly. 4-track mixes are produced when a series or film are locked/dubbed. Dialogue on one, music on another, effects on a third and (I think) atmos/ambience sounds on the 4th. May be wrong on that, but the primary 3 are kept separate. |
I own different editions of PD, and even the 5.1 versions had the the main channel with voices, fx and music al mixed together, making it difficult to change things (I still have a PD edit in the works). I assume it was made from a stereo mix and then added extra parts for the woofers and such. But in recent films you can get an almost clean channel for the voices, making edits pretty easy to make.
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The Hot Toys Robocop is so good, they had to use it as the blu ray cover...
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Now those are some gorgeous covers, I wish they would get used for an English release. Interestingly, that website lists two run times for RoboCop 2 and 3, one a bit longer than the other as if they are theatrical and special edition versions of the film...
Also, I thought it was already confirmed the Series was shot on videotape and couldn't get restored to any sort of decent HD quality? If it was shot on film, surely they would be able to convert it to 16:9 also, if you look at shows like Friends or Seinfeld that did get converted to widescreen for their restorations, the majority of the episodes look great and its only a few scenes here or there that the edge of a set can be seen or a camera/boom mic etc is visible. In fact, only a little is trimmed off the top and bottom and more new picture is visible at the sides. If it meant we got a great looking HD picture I wouldn't mind if they converted the footage to 16:9 for a potential restoration. But lets face it, it will never happen. The German site lists their upcoming BluRay of The Series as being 1.78:1, but I imagine that's just an error. 
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| PFMC84 : | | Also, I thought it was already confirmed the Series was shot on videotape and couldn't get restored to any sort of decent HD quality? If it was shot on film, surely they would be able to convert it to 16:9 also, if you look at shows like Friends or Seinfeld that did get converted to widescreen for their restorations |
The series was shot on film, but like many shows at that time it was edited on SD tape. So they would have to go back to the actual film source and re-edit everything and add new FX etc. A lot of work.
With "Friends" and "Seinfeld" it makes sense to go to that trouble as they would get their money back, but you'd have to be an absolute raving lunatic to start such an expensive project like remastering RoboCop: The Series. It would be an economical money pit as we know that very few would buy it. Unfortunately.
Even the remaster of "Star Trek TNG" proved a disappointment as they didn't make much money from it. Making future remasters of other Star Trek shows such as "Voyager" probably not viable.
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| Archive : | | PFMC84 : | | Also, I thought it was already confirmed the Series was shot on videotape and couldn't get restored to any sort of decent HD quality? If it was shot on film, surely they would be able to convert it to 16:9 also, if you look at shows like Friends or Seinfeld that did get converted to widescreen for their restorations |
The series was shot on film, but like many shows at that time it was edited on SD tape. So they would have to go back to the actual film source and re-edit everything and add new FX etc. A lot of work.
With "Friends" and "Seinfeld" it makes sense to go to that trouble as they would get their money back, but you'd have to be an absolute raving lunatic to start such an expensive project like remastering RoboCop: The Series. It would be an economical money pit as we know that very few would buy it. Unfortunately.
Even the remaster of "Star Trek TNG" proved a disappointment as they didn't make much money from it. Making future remasters of other Star Trek shows such as "Voyager" probably not viable. |
They didn't sell enough blurays of TNG remasters to do the same for DS9, which is sad because DS9 is my favorite version of Star Trek. But if Star Trek TNG blurays didn't sell well, then you know there is no hope for Robocop the Series of all things. It would be awesome to see the Series looking better than ever, but would never be more than a novelty... after all, the Series is no masterpiece, I enjoy it as much as the next hardcore Robofan but I don't ever really see a point where we're all clamouring for the Series remasters and starting petitions or kickstarters and stuff... but a Robofan can dream, after all, we're only human.
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| PFMC84 : | | Also, I thought it was already confirmed the Series was shot on videotape and couldn't get restored to any sort of decent HD quality? If it was shot on film, surely they would be able to convert it to 16:9 also, if you look at shows like Friends or Seinfeld that did get converted to widescreen for their restorations, the majority of the episodes look great. [
] In fact, only a little is trimmed off the top and bottom and more new picture is visible at the sides. If it meant we got a great looking HD picture I wouldn't mind if they converted the footage to 16:9 for a potential restoration. But lets face it, it will never happen. |
| Archive : | The series was shot on film, but like many shows at that time it was edited on SD tape. So they would have to go back to the actual film source and re-edit everything and add new FX etc. A lot of work.
With "Friends" and "Seinfeld" it makes sense to go to that trouble as they would get their money back, but you'd have to be an absolute raving lunatic to start such an expensive project like remastering RoboCop: The Series. It would be an economical money pit as we know that very few would buy it. Unfortunately.
Even the remaster of "Star Trek TNG" proved a disappointment as they didn't make much money from it. Making future remasters of other Star Trek shows such as "Voyager" probably not viable. |
| RoboPimp : | | They didn't sell enough blurays of TNG remasters to do the same for DS9, which is sad because DS9 is my favorite version of Star Trek. But if Star Trek TNG blurays didn't sell well, then you know there is no hope for Robocop the Series of all things. It would be awesome to see the Series looking better than ever, but would never be more than a novelty... after all, the Series is no masterpiece, I enjoy it as much as the next hardcore Robofan but I don't ever really see a point where we're all clamouring for the Series remasters and starting petitions or kickstarters and stuff... but a Robofan can dream, after all, we're only human. |
Although HD restoration costs have fallen since the days of "Star Trek: TNG", you wouldn't want the complete 22-episode series anyway, due to the ham-fisted, mediocre writing throughout the season. There's at least 6 of those hours I don't bother going back to and as much as most of you enjoy 'CORPORATE RAIDERS', thanks to the heart-wrenching reunion between Murphy and his father, it's a terrible instalment which would be greatly improved with a refined edit and different music in place of the tacky/kitsch cues.
A friend of mine recently mentioned that the 80's cartoon series, "Centurions", was made available on a Consumer-On-Demand basis by Warner Brothers sometime ago. They would only manufacture copies of a prepared DVD set when orders were placed. I'm sure, given that several distributors in the UK and Europe have released and re-released "RC: TS", that either that wouldn't be necessary - or the cult classic 'status' of the show would exceed such tiny, minimal expectations.
It can't be argued that there isn't a market for it, when several home media firms have issued it over the last 13 years. The original British boxset (by Stax Entertainment) sold out in 2006, if I remember correctly, and was quickly put through a 2nd pressing run for another release the following year. A 3rd followed in 2013, while Canada got theirs in 2010. Australia was covered during the same year as the initial UK release, but I'm not aware how many times Germany have had their sets.
Archive will know this - 2, 3? They must've had a DVD one, then the first BluRay, which according to "PFMC84" above is re-issued again this year, but in the wrong aspect ratio.
You also need to take into account how well it's performed, if at all, on its only VOD/streaming platform; Amazon Instant Video. That's been the most recent 'presentation' of the show, which in turn will have been another source of revenue for whoever holds the rights.
I still think choosing a Top 10 or a "Best Of" selection of episodes would be the way forward for such a project - as who would really want to watch 'TROUBLE IN DELTA CITY', 'FACES OF EVE', 'SISTERS IN CRIME' and 'MOTHER'S DAY' again?
The only scenes of merit in 'TROUBLE IN DELTA CITY' are the opening, icy-snow car chase; Madigan struggling to cope with her addiction to the NoGain diet pill drugs; and the scenes between her, Nancy, Murphy and Diana. In 'FACES OF EVE', Diana attempting to revive Murphy during his termination shutdown; 'SISTERS IN CRIME', John Rubenstein's hilarious, yuppy performance as Chip Chayken; and 'MOTHER's DAY' - well - forget it! That's without doubt the worst of the entire series, hands down by a mile.
The harbour yard raid, maybe, given there was some impressive explosions and other stunts - but the only compelling and captivating scene that stands out of the whole, crappy episode (one of the weakest in action/adventure TV history) is the 30 seconds after Gadget's mother is finally reunited with the young girl herself, downstairs in RoboCop's Chamber. When they leave and the camera moves in on Blu Mankuma, feeling as if his complete world has fallen apart at the loss of his one-and-only surrogate child, he walks out despairingly and lost.
We then cut to the reverse shot of Ed Sahely (Charlie) and Richard Eden (Murphy). Charlie says: "Aw, poor guy. Imagine losing your whole family over night. Must be tough." Camera pushes in again, this time on Richard, as Murphy flashes back to a beautifully-recreated, but subtle attempt of the original movie's shot, where his wife and son are waving at him at the end of their family home drive. He rolls away from them for what would be his last and ultimately fatal day as a human being.
Jon Stroll's lovely, nicely poignant music is playing over this, as we finally cut back to Murphy/Richard, who delivers directly to the camera sat right next to him - an emotionally-charged line of determination, not wanting the same fate to happen to his compassionate sergeant: "Yes. It is."
That's it. The only highlight of those 42 minutes. I won't bother to cite what little, if any, moments of note there are in 'ROBOCOP VS. COMMANDER CASH' - and 'INSIDE CRIME', I wouldn't miss it if that didn't make the cut. A somewhat interesting, but literally clown-faced look at what we now refer to as "fake news", observing reality TV crews (essentially journalists) staging outlandish events to gain high ratings.
Maybe there's some social or satirical commentary to be had from it. Personally, I don't think so. The execution wasn't memorable and the humour was too outlandish itself. It went beyond the mark and some of it just flew right under-the-radar.
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I mean i think what sums up the series DVD and Blu ray releases so far is "cheap." They got the TV masters and put those on disc with as little effort as possible. They are gonna re-release that over and over again, with a minimum cost.
But I'm ok with that. I was absolutely shocked when it was released for DVD, something i thought I'd never see.
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Now that I've seen all the features, I can honestly say that Arrow really went the extra mile to give fans a reason to buy another release. For the completist, both cuts of the film are nice to have in one collection. I personally prefer the Director's Cut, but I do feel like the theatrical cut is more important historically, thus still important to keep in circulation.
Now if the Hot Toys figure was used as the basis of the cover, that would be the only blemish on an otherwise outstanding piece of art. Fans can have their nitpicks, but when you look at just about every Photoshop monstrosity put out by major studios, it just doesn't even compare to art like this. Posters and home video covers alike have a tendency to throw every single face onto a poster with no sense of composition (Marvel is especially guilty). But here, every character that should be represented is. Clean composition and interesting color scheme? Check. Details like Murphy's face appearing in the flames are just genius. The optional theatrical poster is super considerate as well.
Adding in the TV edit is really cool as well, and I believe unique to only this release. A nitpick would be that it's in SD, which I'm assuming is them using the TV master. The description also mentions how the TV exclusive outtakes have also been restored from 35mm. So it sounds like we have all the ingredients for an HD TV edit at least.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:30 pm |
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Looks like they have sorted the issues with the previous Director's Cut remaster*. So even if people weren't interested in the extras (unlikely on this forum of fans) this still looks to be a superior presentation of the film itself. The limited edition with all the extras is still available and a non-limited standard single disc version of the Director's Cut comes out in February.
* https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=17074319&postcount=1547
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:46 pm |
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Got my copy today. Package looks gorgeous; canīt wait to watch the TV edited version and/or some extras tonite.
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Arrived today. I got the non collectors edition because I like the clean look of the steelbook minus the back. It was a preorder and got it for $20 shipped from Amazon. It looks like its no longer available on Amazon US except the collectors edition. I'm sure you can still find it if you look around, and yea, the Roboprops extra on the bluray is definitely Murphy38s old collection that she sold off, even shows the sunblock 5000 that I remember asking to buy since she had listed it at the time for something like $50-$70. I think it was worth it considering the steelbook looks very nice as you can see and the added new content.
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| edgeofthecosmos : | | The Roboprops extra on the bluray is definitely Murphy38s old collection that she sold off, even shows the sunblock 5000 that I remember asking to buy since she had listed it at the time for something like $50-$70. |
True. Too bad we didnīt have a chance to get more props from her.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:16 pm |
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| ChAnOoD : | | edgeofthecosmos : | | The Roboprops extra on the bluray is definitely Murphy38s old collection that she sold off, even shows the sunblock 5000 that I remember asking to buy since she had listed it at the time for something like $50-$70. |
True. Too bad we didnīt have a chance to get more props from her. |
I'm kind of still bitter lol. Though at least it went somewhere good.
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