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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:28 pm Reply with quote

First, is Cain his first name or last? And did Clarence and his boys know Cain? I’ve been thinking maybe they knew each other, but the first film was more about Clarence and Murphy becoming Robocop, while the second film could’ve been about Cain’s story.



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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:15 am Reply with quote

Most of the new characters in RoboCop2 has only one name such as Cain, Angie, Duffy, Holzgang etc.
And in the case of Cain, it being a biblical name in origin, it is most likely a taken name he's given himself that is more suited for the Nuke cult. His real name is unknown.

The new drug Nuke started to appear after the events of the first movie so i don't think Clarence and Cain had any business or knowledge of each other. With Clarences drug empire shut down it pawed the way for Cain.




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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:53 pm Reply with quote

Do we actually have any clue how much time passed between R1 and R2? Is there any promotional material or quote that gives a rough estimate? Or did I miss all my life a key info bit in the movie that gives the answer?


Facts to support R2 happened shortly after R1:

- The police strike is still going on (however, it could be a separate strike, or police strikes have become intermittent and more frequent since OCP's takeover).
- Delta City construction has not started yet.


Facts to make me think that several months (or maybe 1+ year) had passed:

- Lewis is fully recovered (probably the stronger fact)
- Ellen Murphy has gone through therapy apparently because of Robo "stalking" her.
- Nuke, unmentioned in R1, has ridden the streets of Detroit and Cain is all over the news (while in R1 it felt that Clarence was the most wanted criminal).
- Robo's armor looks fully refurbished (weak fact, it is logical to think that spare parts are readily available and he can be repaired and rebuilt quickly, as it was the case during the events of R2, yet it looks like the gun shop thieves do not expect Robo to pop up at all, so he might have been put back on duty very recently, however, this would negate that Robo had stalked Ellen for a while)




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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:23 pm Reply with quote

The old man mentions in Robo2 that "about a year ago we gave this city RoboCop" so that is perhaps the best way to judge how much time has passed. Not exact but roughly a year.



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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:10 pm Reply with quote

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First, is Cain his first name or last? And did Clarence and his boys know Cain? I’ve been thinking maybe they knew each other, but the first film was more about Clarence and Murphy becoming Robocop, while the second film could’ve been about Cain’s story.


I know in the original scripts Cain was supposed to be a veteran from the Amazon war (he was probably a murderous maniac in that war killing innocent civilians etc) I think he created the Nuke drug and cult when he came back from that war. Which would've been after the demise of Clarence and his gang,

I love R2, but it's hard to imagine the Clarence and Cain characters co-existing in the same world. Clarence and his gang are realistic characters, Cain and his gang feel much more 'comic-book' - which is completely understandable when you factor in that a comic book writer wrote the movie! Very Happy




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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:30 pm Reply with quote

Lewis hair is another indication, way shorter in the first.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:45 am Reply with quote

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The old man mentions in Robo2 that "about a year ago we gave this city RoboCop" so that is perhaps the best way to judge how much time has passed. Not exact but roughly a year.


Wow, I'm amazed I never gave enough thought to that line!

It might be the first time ever I feel like a piss-poor robofan Laughing

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:32 pm Reply with quote

Did Bob Morton know who Clarence was when he came into his home? And Clarence showing up to talk to Dick Jones at OCP after the Robo/Ed-209 fight. This guy was all over the news known as a cop killer. Didn’t anybody notice who this guy was who was meeting with Jones?



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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:19 pm Reply with quote

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Did Bob Morton know who Clarence was when he came into his home? And Clarence showing up to talk to Dick Jones at OCP after the Robo/Ed-209 fight. This guy was all over the news known as a cop killer. Didn’t anybody notice who this guy was who was meeting with Jones?


Well, MediaBreak´s photo was kinda "blurry", so you could pretend people wouldn´t recognize him at first. As for the OCP scene, most of the people were busy rebuilding that floor and he just walks in casually. The workers didn´t care, they had something to do. What I´d found weird is the fact Jones´ secretary knew he was coming and has a meeting with the vicepresident of the company. I guess there would be security and people at OCP´s entrance as well. So even if they recognized him, they´d have to let him go, since they´re Jones orders.




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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:21 am Reply with quote

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Did Bob Morton know who Clarence was when he came into his home? And Clarence showing up to talk to Dick Jones at OCP after the Robo/Ed-209 fight. This guy was all over the news known as a cop killer. Didn’t anybody notice who this guy was who was meeting with Jones?


Well, MediaBreak´s photo was kinda "blurry", so you could pretend people wouldn´t recognize him at first. As for the OCP scene, most of the people were busy rebuilding that floor and he just walks in casually. The workers didn´t care, they had something to do. What I´d found weird is the fact Jones´ secretary knew he was coming and has a meeting with the vicepresident of the company. I guess there would be security and people at OCP´s entrance as well. So even if they recognized him, they´d have to let him go, since they´re Jones orders.


Also, he was just taken out of jail, presumably by Dick Jones' lawyers and/or influence peddling, so he was a free man, for the time being, until proven guilty in court, even if the news were previously circulating his picture as suspect / fugitive of murders.




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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:20 pm Reply with quote

Not to derail this, but another thing I always wondered, was there no-one around on the bottom floors of the OCP building to see/hear Robo blow up ED-209 and maybe pass that information up to the board room or at least have security deployed to check it out?

Some poor person likely would have been outside investigating and then have Dick Jones's body fall on them too, so maybe it was best no-one was around!
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