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Josh
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| vegasrobo : | | Prometheus went and caught it at midnight last night...Incredible! |
Oh Vegas.
The way I felt about Prometheus is the way you feel about the RoboCop reboot.
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vegasrobo
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:46 pm |
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Really even with it being Ridley Scott?
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Josh
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:14 pm |
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| vegasrobo : | | Really even with it being Ridley Scott? |
THIS POST WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS!
That's one of the biggest problems.
Everyone thinks this man is invincible but forget to realise that he has made some dodgy films in his time.
The main problem with Prometheus was that he managed to mess up the legacy he helped to create. Look at the Space Jockey (or Engineer to all the 12 year olds who have no idea what Alien is). There was this brilliant sense of mystery about it. Was it disposing of the eggs? Were the eggs to be used as weapons? It was a question that required no answer along with "where do Xenomorphs come from?". Instead what was first intended as a truly alien creature instead became a tall humanoid (how original) in some kind of suit.
If you removed the Space Jockey, the Weyland Corporation and the Xenomorph references (post credits scene and altar) you have have a different film and one that would have been better received by fans such as myself. I bet that they attached the Alien name to it to make more money through franchise recognition and fans love for the franchise (even though Resurrection was a bit shite and Alien 3 was flawed but reminiscent of the original film).
The creature design was lazy too. There is no need to elaborat on this point.
There was no clear identity to the film. First it was a prequel and then merely set in the same universe. Like I said it reeks of cashing in on a name only, which is something I'm sure you can relate to when it comes to the new RoboCop. If they released a version where they cut out the parts I mentioned it could have been better for fans, who are the ones that keep these franchises afloat. But hey, why appeal to them when Sally will take her Transformers loving son to see the big explosions.
It could have been good. Scott could have replicated what he did back in 1979 but he hasn't. Instead you get a predictable run-of-the-mill film that retroactively ruins the first and second films. Every time I see the Space Jockey I will see a man in a rubber suit, with no imagination put into it's conception.
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vegasrobo
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Comment: Vegas Baby!!!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:53 pm |
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Agreed,I felt it's biggest failing was really the last 40 mins or so..And the need Scott felt too explain everything..I did'nt like that,As for the Jockeys Giger had alway kind of elluded too that being a space suit,As for the design of what it was within the suit yeah,A tad uninspired to be sure..See I'm one who was really buying into the hype that this was'nt gonna be an Alien film at all..And I was alright with that..I was bothered by what seemed dark and mysterious at first being made almost campy in its closeing minutes..but the look of the film overall was incredible form the Giger domes on the planetscape too the Mobieous inspired space suits,The actual not creature design work was incredible..
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Josh
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:00 am |
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Oh yeah, visually the film was great.
But like I said. If they removed the Space Jockey (or at least still did not explain it) and the Xenomorph like thing at the end it would have been better, a film that stood on it's own two feet and not shackled to the previous films.
Alien is 33 years old. I doubt that in 33 years anyone will really give a damn about Prometheus and once the hype dies down people will notice more of the flaws. It is the biggest movie out at the moment and people are bound to be excited for it.
I think my main problem was it was Scott who directed it and messed with the legacy. Imagine if they did a full blown RoboCop sequel and messed it up because the director did not respect said legacy. Now imagine if that director was Verhoeven. That's how I sort of feel,
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Lexington
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I've never had an actual aversion to watching a movie before - like an undeniable, skin-crawling sensation of "I don't want my preconceptions ruined by this" as I have with this Prometheus.
Like, if I watch this movie, Alien is gonna lose its mystery, macabre and unknown. As an Alien fan, part of me wants to see it, even if all I get is a nostalgic shot of a Space Jockey. But the other part backhands that part and says you ain't watchin' this.
Some folks say it doesn't really tell you much beyond what we already know so it doesn't spoil the Alien's mystery, some say it explains a lot. Maybe time will wear me down. For now, I want my ignorance. What has been seen cannot be unseen, etc.
Yeah... it's weird. Never felt this about a film before.
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I had to go out to try and get some new trainers today (failed miserably) so my viewings have been rather sparse:
Conan the Barbarian (Blu-Ray)
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation (Blu-Ray)
The Mist (Blu-Ray)
Lupin III - The Secret of Twilight Gemini (DVD)
Lupin III - Bye-Bye Liberty Crisis (DVD)
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Josh
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| Lexington : | I've never had an actual aversion to watching a movie before - like an undeniable, skin-crawling sensation of "I don't want my preconceptions ruined by this" as I have with this Prometheus.
Like, if I watch this movie, Alien is gonna lose its mystery, macabre and unknown. As an Alien fan, part of me wants to see it, even if all I get is a nostalgic shot of a Space Jockey. But the other part backhands that part and says you ain't watchin' this.
Some folks say it doesn't really tell you much beyond what we already know so it doesn't spoil the Alien's mystery, some say it explains a lot. Maybe time will wear me down. For now, I want my ignorance. What has been seen cannot be unseen, etc.
Yeah... it's weird. Never felt this about a film before. |
I wish I never watched it.
I cannot look at the originals in the same way and this saddens me. It doesn't tell you a huge amount but what it does tell you ruins the mystery in a generic way.
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DoktorNo
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So far I in progress of watching "Legend of Korra". I just hope they don't trash it with crappy ending!
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| DoktorNo : | | So far I in progress of watching "Legend of Korra". I just hope they don't trash it with crappy ending! |
The ending of the last Avatar series was rather annoying, quite like the last Teen Titans series, where a final adventure beckoned, but nothing followed... a habit of most American series unfortunately 
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Lexington
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:09 pm |
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| Josh : | I wish I never watched it.
I cannot look at the originals in the same way and this saddens me. It doesn't tell you a huge amount but what it does tell you ruins the mystery in a generic way. |
Man, you said it. That's exactly what I'm afraid of.
Ain't watching!
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RoboPimp
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| Josh : | | Alien is 33 years old. I doubt that in 33 years anyone will really give a damn about Prometheus and once the hype dies down people will notice more of the flaws. |
Well, I guess I'm in the minority here. I went to see the film with my dad today. We're both big Alien fans, and not big movie goers. When we go to see a film we make sure it's something (hopefully) worth seeing, and Prometheus did not disappoint us.
I went in not expecting much, and enjoyed what I got. I did not feel it negatively affected the Alien franchise; instead I felt like it was the perfect way to get back into the series... I like all the explanations: The Space Jockey, Weyland corp and the eventual reveal of the Alien. All fit in with the vision I had of the universe before hand, and I think they definitely built on the the history is a good way.
You may think people don't really care about Prometheus but people like me and my dad do. And, like you've said, we've had 30 something years with these big unexplained mysteries int he series, so I think enough time has passed for this to be a respectable way to broach the subject manner. Yeah, the way they explained everything wasn't always entirely congruent, but overall it was a great story. Whereas some think the components from the Alien series were used to cash in on the franchise, I instead think they were the core of the entire experience and the foundation upon which this separate tale can be told.
I think a lot of the problem people have is that they're going to compare it too much to the Alien series, in that they are expecting a certain type of action-horror experience. We do certainly get some of that, but it's more about a different type of mood..it's more of a drama about being careful for what you wish for, and how expectations are usually drastically different than the idealistic vision you have.
And I think that moral applies to how the film is perceived. Basically everybody has this idea of what the Space Jockey was supposed too be, and the reality could never match the expectation, so I think it works nicely that they are a little bit simpler and humanoid than we expected. Just like the characters in the film got something different than I expected, I as the view got a much different experience than I was looking for, but it proved satisfying and gave me the same kind of sense of wonder the original Alien flicks did.
Is it as good as the Alien films? In a of ways it's better...the effects and locations are some of the best I've ever seen. The creature design was lacking, but the story and acting stood up very closely to the original series in my opinion. While I don't think it had to punch or uniqueness that set the Alien films apart, I think it makes up for that by being an overall solid, visceral experience that delivers a lot more content than the running time would suggest, and leaves the series open for much more, which I think could potentially be a very good thing.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:32 pm |
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I thought the movie over for a couple days..Even with the fact that I don't like the last 30 mins or so,I like the movie.Like it or not this is a film thats gonna be discussed for years the subject matter and what its done for or against the franchise,There's gonna be strong opinions..It has that Alien 3 quality too it where you really have too mull it over,.
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WeKilledYou
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SPOILER ALERT. First off, I went out of my way to avoid everything involved with Prometheus leading up to the release. I still haven't even seen the trailer. Ahead of time, all I knew was that it was or wasn't related to the Alien franchise and some of the actors(was bummed to learn that the rumors of Ben Foster being in the movie weren't true.) So I had no expectations or prior knowledge going into the theater. Also, I am in no way a Ridley Scott mark. Ultimately, I liked the movie a lot, and this surprised me. My favorite thing was easily the David character and the performance by Fassbender. IMO, the movie could have just been a stand alone movie about him. Visually everything was pretty top notch. I liked that 99.9% of everything wasn't just CG. I didn't really care for the two main scientists. Both of their characters were pretty lackluster, forgettable, and at times just stupid to me. I was dissapointed to learn what the jockeys actually looked like. They were not all that impressive visually once the helmet came off. Also, the very very brief exchange at the end was pretty damn stupid. For being these brilliant "engineers" who have created and done so many things, they sure didn't act the part. He gets woke up and asked a few questions, then like a body builder experiencing over the top mind bending roid rage, he just freaks out like a psychotic lunatic and tries to kill everything and anyone in sight. What was the point or purpose of that?! It's like they ran out of time or motivation to do anything meaningful with that scene and just decided to throw in random violence and action to close out the last part. Easily the biggest let down for me.
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