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RoboHell RoboPops!
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
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Comment: Murphy had a wife and son....what happend to them?
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:22 pm |
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You all know the sceen, Lewis has the drop on Leon and is about to arrest
him, but first he has to zip up and Lewis just had to look, then she get's
knocked the fuck out.
Meanwhile, Murphy's calling for her help but she's no where to be found.
and next thing you know Murphy's been blown to bit's.
So my question is, if Lewis avoided looking at Leon's pecker and just cuffed
him like she should of, could she of saved Murphy form a violent death?
Would she find the same the same death waiting for her??
Did she ever feel responsible for what happend to Murphy??
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Law Giver Law Master of Aquilonia
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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Comment: Boob Snortin' and Dicky Boy
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:37 pm |
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Lewis in the beginning of the movie was a like bumble gum chewing slut, that likes also to kick ass. Her arrogance led to both of them jeopardizing their lives so recklessly just for the chance to take down that gang the way they did. But it should be remembered that Alex Murphy was also a hotshot dickhead who thought he was a supercop(TJ Lazer) before actually becoming one. Both of them screwed up, but more so Lewis, because she looked down at (Edit) Joe's pecker like she was gonna blow him off or something..really dumb shit she was and useless by the time she came around and got to Murphy.
Both Murphy and Lewis redeem themselves at the end, by working as real partners and leave the arrogance behind them...they matured.
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RoboPimp PIMPY SUPREME
Joined: 10 Mar 2007
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Comment: "You dead wrong if ya think that pimpin' gon' die" - Snoop Dogg, P.I.M.P. (Remix)
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:53 pm |
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She damn well better cry herself to sleep every night about this shit. I never really noticed the complete severity of the situation until you put it in perspective. If only Robo knew that he could have been human if Lewis wasn't busy trying to get a glance at a man's package, well I'd hate to see the trouble that'd go down. Maybe he'd arrest her. It would serve her right. She had the option to save his life and wanted dick instead. What a shame.
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Law Giver Law Master of Aquilonia
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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Comment: Boob Snortin' and Dicky Boy
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:03 pm |
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He just had the ill-luck of having a horny female for a partner,lol.
More seriously though, he was as arrogant and dumb as she was for going in without back up, remember when he tells her, "Well, you call it?" Clarence gloated over Murphy's delusions of grandeur due to his hotshot personality.So Murphy had only himself to blame for the situation. Lewis was also partially responsible for help bringing back Murphy's memories and identity and also saves him from the SWAT team and at River Rouge.
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judza C-L1
Joined: 03 Jul 2006
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Comment: I am the dark side incarnate
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:12 pm |
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Don't mean to nitpick, but it was Joe who Lewis oogled.
As Law Giver said, they both were very reckless with the whole situation. The highway chase should've given our two heroes a clue about the hardware and the tactics these "Bank robbers" use (IE firing shotguns, and tossing one of their own to get rid of cops.)
So when they arrived at the steel mill, Murph should not have given it to Lewis to call the shots ("Well you call it?"). He should've put his foot down and said:
Murph: "After that highway shootout, I'm not going in there without the backup"
And Lewis would most likely agree. They'd wait, even if it took a long time, they would wait out of sight, keeping their eye on the van.
If they didn't wait, and she called him a chicken or something, it would prove the point that she is just a "Bubble gum chewing slut".
But instead, they go in, knowing full well they were fired upon w/o hesitation at the highway, and not to mention...THEY SPLIT UP. That is not smart cop tactics. You can do a helluva lot more if there is someone covering your ass, rather than alone in an unfamiliar, claustrophobic, hideout.
But anyway, they did what they did and we get to Lewis holding Joe up whilst taking a whizz. She should've stopped chewing that damn gum (the popping made Joe stop and reel around) and arrested him. I don't know whether she would've escorted him out to the cruiser, or she would've handcuffed him to a railing or something, but Joe would've been out of the picture.
Meanwhile, Murph's getting his "hotshot" ass near Dougy and Emil watching TV. Dougy is taken down, and the shot alerts the gang to the area that a cop is in. But here's where it could've turned (not necessarily better than it did, but it could've changed), when Murph starts yelling to Lewis to get her ass to his position:
"Lewis I got a situation here girl".
Lewis wouldn't be grunting and groaning from being knocked out, she would respond in kind. Hopefully (because at this stage she'd still be on the high ground) she'd be able to get around the back way to Murph's position and provide backup (before or after Leon and Steve arrive can only speculated). Leon and Steve would arrive, I suppose Lewis would probably shoot one, followed by a short shootout of some kind between Emil, Steve/Leon, and Clarence (remember, he's pacing himself to the position). Murph would certainly have been saved from what he went through in the movies, but whether or not both he and Lewis, or one of them survived can only be speculated.
As for the other questions:
As for suffering a similar death, I think so. She probably would've suffered more taunting, and just been raped/shot up etc.
As for feeling responsible, I'm sure she felt very responsible. It was Lewis who said "Let's do it" and they proceeded without backup. It was Lewis who wasn't there when Murphy needed her (they're partners, they are meant to be there for each other in these kinds of situations), it was Lewis who could've taken Joe (shoot him, or cuff him) and then gotten to Murph's position. She certainly could've done more for Murph than what she did in the movie. But then again, her POV gives the whole death scene that "helpless" feeling that helps us sympathize for their plight.
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Nika Silwerra Justified and Ancient of Mu
Joined: 25 Dec 2005
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Comment: The queen of RoboCop random finds thread
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:39 pm |
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good question ..
but how me know the Clerences band was nicelly "hard" and they did not have any mercy with anyone .. if her caught whole the band I bet she would finished up worse than Murphy . she is woman and also have not too big strenght as men ..not want think about what they would do with her before then would kill her ..
Hell : | Did she ever feel responsible for what happend to Murphy?? |
surelly ! also in the novel from Naha you can read something about her feelings ..
Quote: | So my question is, if Lewis avoided looking at Leon's pecker and just cuffed
him like she should of, could she of saved Murphy form a violent death? |
Well again to the story ..if she did not look at the zip .. maybe she would arrested the Joe.. but what would do with him .?. probably she would handcuffed him and took him out ..maybe to the car .. or chained him to a pipe inside the factory ..probably then she whould hurry find Murphy .. but probably she would come late ..and I doubt if she had chance against Clerence and the band ..
she did good when just watched the masaker ( did she can to do something more ?) sad .. but she rescued herself life that she stand quietly
but how we could to see in the R3 he gave back her this ..cause he stood on the stairs behing the Lewis and really did nothing uh
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RoboHell RoboPops!
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
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Comment: Murphy had a wife and son....what happend to them?
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:58 pm |
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Nika.
If i remember right, and plus it's been awhile since ive last seen Robocop3,
but wasn't shooting rehab officers a product violation, so instead he just blew up shit around them??
If im right, then Murph had no choice but to watch her die.
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RoboHell RoboPops!
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
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Comment: Murphy had a wife and son....what happend to them?
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:03 am |
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judza : | Don't mean to nitpick, but it was Joe who Lewis oogled.
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Shit, god damit!!! i will go and hang myself in the closet now.
I can't belive i got the names wrong!!!
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Xeno O-L2
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:15 pm |
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robohell : | Nika.
If i remember right, and plus it's been awhile since ive last seen Robocop3,
but wasn't shooting rehab officers a product violation, so instead he just blew up shit around them??
If im right, then Murph had no choice but to watch her die. |
Actually it is pretty farfetch situation. In the beginning of Robo 3, Murph caught a bullet with his hand with no problem. And by a long shot he could of seen what MacDagget is up to and stand in the way of bullets.
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Law Giver Law Master of Aquilonia
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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Comment: Boob Snortin' and Dicky Boy
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:04 pm |
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Didnt she step in front of Robo? Maybe her hair got in Murphy's way?!
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Mephisto DC-L1
Joined: 04 Jan 2004
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Comment: Former Co-Admin and all around asshole.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:11 pm |
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I got the answer to all your questions folks.
It was in the script.
There, I said it. plain and simple.
Gotta tell yourself that when you see dumb shit in movies that is completely illogical and really shouldn't happen.
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Stan The Man Bah Concepts Division
Joined: 05 Jun 2003
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Comment: I'm the guy in Old Archive.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:00 am |
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*Vote* Not considered a nitpick, it's needed for the plot.
Oh wait, this isn't Nitpickers.com... _________________ I don't wanna pay that, PhotoBucket. Now maybe you haven't heard, but I'm the guy in old Archive. So hows about you just shit snow for a year and I'll figure out something else. Sayonara!
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Cincinnatus R-L4
Joined: 11 Feb 2008
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Comment: It is better to be feared then loved.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:06 am |
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judza nailed it on the head with this one. They violated every Procedure in the book in their operation. They called for backup after they follow them to their hideout?
Backup should have been called once they caught up with their van when the shooting started they did what they had to do though there was some hotdog bullshit by Murphy acting like John Wayne. Once they arrived at the Warehouse they should have sat tight for backup. Even then if they decided to go inside which was pure stupid shit on a stick they should have never split up they had no clue how many perps they had to deal with for all they know there could have been a whole platoon full of Bruce Lee's in the back.
Anyways with that off my chest Murphy and Lewis got what they sowed by acting like a bunch of hotheads as cops are always warned about Tombstone Style Courage is what gets a ton of good LEOs killed.
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Law Giver Law Master of Aquilonia
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Comment: Boob Snortin' and Dicky Boy
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:43 am |
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I think I said the same thing..
* Also, I thought I saw a shotgun in the car, but they never took it.
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