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Primrose Lane O-L1
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Comment: Can you do that, dad?
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:44 pm |
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I always got strange vibes that Lewis had feelings for Murphy, especially as the films progressed.
One of the most heart-warming moments in the first movie for me is when Murphy is getting ready to take out Boddicker's gang and he tells her to get out of here. I love how she smiles at him and reminds him that they're partners. In other words, she's not going anywhere, she's staying by his side, and she's going to help him avenge himself or she'll die trying.
I think Archive makes some great points about her lack of development in later movies, but I'm such a stickler for the first film that I'm gonna choose Lewis. Hands down.
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Archive .
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:54 pm |
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One problem i also have with Lewis, and this is gonna sound disrespectful, is that she aged really quick, and not like a fine wine. In Robo1 she is this young cocky cop with an attitude, about a year later with Robo2 she has aged considerably and in Robo3 she is basically a veteran beat cop. It could have something to do with the haircut but that is only one truth.
Of course i understand that Nancy Allen has to be allowed to age but combined with her lack of character development it's like THE Lewis i like disappeared after RoboCop1.
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Dash CH-L3
Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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Comment: Whuddup, RIBS?!
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:53 am |
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I'll be the first to open my feelings with the shallow analysis: Madigan was hot. Yvette Nipar is STILL hot. Saw her on CSI in 2005 and I'd still jump her bones in a heartbeat.
Now to the serious. I should start by noting to others that Madigan and Lewis are not two separate characters in the same universe; they are the SAME character in two DIFFERENT universes. The proof of the matter is: in the films, Murphy's wife is "Ellen". In the series, his wife is "Nancy". She is the only character who can't be "swapped out" for some faceless analogue because she's Murphy's wife. Yes, one could argue that since Robocop 3 and the series came out at around the same time and Ellen Murphy's name wasn't revealed until the third film, then the writers for the series had to "guess" her name. You could even argue that "Nancy" is her real name because Neumeier and Miner wrote the pilot for the series. Still, I disagree and strongly view the movies and series as separate universes. Thus, Madigan was with Murphy when he died. Parks told Murphy he works for a living at Metro South. You get the idea.
Anyway, I agree with Archive that Lewis wasn't fully developed by the end of the trilogy, which is a damn waste. Lewis is a tough-as-nails street cop, and I love the kind of woman that can kick my ass. But unfortunately, as far as brains/detective work goes, the only thing she has to her credit is figuring out who Murphy was. Madigan, on the other hand, is shown to be very smart--and, sometimes, even cunning. I could see her as the high school nerd with thick glasses who got hotter with age. Like Morton said, smart is sexy. She is given room to grow in the series, and as detective, she wasn't always playing second fiddle to Robocop. But sadly, she doesn't kick a lot of ass; in fact, there were way too many times when she was playing the damsel and I thought that was a waste.
When it comes down to it though, I never felt the emotional connection between Murphy and Madigan. Remember, these women were with Murphy when he got blown to smithereens and that created a connection beyond personal. The only time I really felt that connection in the series was in the pilot. But I always felt that connection between him and Lewis. Sure, we saw her reaction to his death first-hand, but that connection was still present until the very end. For that reason, I gotta give it to Lewis, if only for the first movie (and a feeble attempt in the third movie).
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Sean_001 Vault Dweller
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:50 pm |
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Dash : | Now to the serious. I should start by noting to others that Madigan and Lewis are not two separate characters in the same universe; they are the SAME character in two DIFFERENT universes. The proof of the matter is: in the films, Murphy's wife is "Ellen". In the series, his wife is "Nancy". She is the only character who can't be "swapped out" for some faceless analogue because she's Murphy's wife. Yes, one could argue that since Robocop 3 and the series came out at around the same time and Ellen Murphy's name wasn't revealed until the third film, then the writers for the series had to "guess" her name. You could even argue that "Nancy" is her real name because Neumeier and Miner wrote the pilot for the series. Still, I disagree and strongly view the movies and series as separate universes. Thus, Madigan was with Murphy when he died. Parks told Murphy he works for a living at Metro South. You get the idea. |
I have actually thought the same as well.
This alternate Robo-verse idea is the best explaination as to why Murphy in the films has light-brown hair, and Murphy from the series has brunette coloring. Aside from the obvious reasons (played by two different actors) Seems the only steady element from film to series was Boddicker. He never changed. But everything else did.
Even the OCP symbol changed.
This is a very interesting thought.
As for my views....
See earlier posts. I will stick with R1 Lewis all the time.
Even though Robo and Madigan had longer time together on screen and better rapport.
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Dash CH-L3
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Comment: Whuddup, RIBS?!
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:26 pm |
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Sean_001 : | I have actually thought the same as well.
This alternate Robo-verse idea is the best explaination as to why Murphy in the films has light-brown hair, and Murphy from the series has brunette coloring. Aside from the obvious reasons (played by two different actors) Seems the only steady element from film to series was Boddicker. He never changed. But everything else did.
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Yeah, I figured things like hair color wouldn't be much evidence to my argument-- especially the Nancy/Ellen comparison (brown/blonde hair, respectively)--but I had considered that. Take Daredevil, for instance: the Kingpin is canonically white, but cast as a black man. In Battlestar Galactica, Starbuck is a woman instead of a man. Actually, that last comparison is a bad example since it's quite obviously a different universe.
But yeah, Boddicker is the only consistency. Which makes you wonder: how would Dick Jones' role have been impacted in the series, if at all? Probably none, since he's dead and all, but still...
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WeKilledYou DIRECTIVE 249 Don't be oversensitive to the hostility and negativity of others
Joined: 15 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:26 am |
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Easily Lewis for me. How can you not like her? She isn't just a professional cop and great partner, but she's a great friend that goes above and beyond the call of duty.
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robocop87 R-L2
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:18 am |
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Lewis for sure...strangely I got the feeling from Robocop 1 that if Murphy hadn't of been married him and Lewis might have got together if he hadn't of got killed...I dunno...kinda thought they had chemistry
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AlexRobo O-L3
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Comment: "You gotta ask yourself one question, ED209, do you feel lucky?"
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:14 am |
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Me, too, but I thought the bond between them became stronger after Lewis rescued RoboCop from the SWAT team. You could see them getting closer together with her nearly comforting him after he took off his helmet and as she helped him fix his targeting. She also had an affectionate smile on her face after he said, "they'll fix you. They fixed everything."
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razgriz21 Sgt-L1
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:22 pm |
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Lewis.
She could have easily been eye candy but thankfully she is a capable police officer and the equivalent to Murphy.
She brought a lot of humanity but also backup.
Props to Nancy Allen.
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ShockDingo R-L2
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:42 am |
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razgriz21 : | Lewis.
She could have easily been eye candy but thankfully she is a capable police officer and the equivalent to Murphy.
She brought a lot of humanity but also backup.
Props to Nancy Allen. |
Gotta agree with you on this. She was pure awesome and dependable as a partner. One of the issues I had with the Avatar Press books is that they focused waaaaaaay too much on the eye candy. She was always covered in blood and had her outfit shredded in a "Sexy" way. It felt like a parody.
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ChAnOoD DC-L4
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:13 pm |
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ShockDingo : | One of the issues I had with the Avatar Press books is that they focused waaaaaaay too much on the eye candy. She was always covered in blood and had her outfit shredded in a "Sexy" way. It felt like a parody. |
Even the technicians and Dr. Love looked like pornstars there
To me, Lewis. She looked more honest, strong and closer to Murphy, while I see Madigan like a smart ass sometimes.
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SgtParks R-L3
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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:59 pm |
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I dont know if you can rate one above the other because they are the same character just with the name change because of rights issues. it even has madigan saying "Murphy its You!" in the opening credits.
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ElectricSoul O-L5*
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Comment: Listen to me,you FUCK!!
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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:53 pm |
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Lewis,definitely. but part of that may be due to my limited exposure to the TV Series.
Allen and Weller had a chemistry together. plus you can tell how much Lewis cared about Murphy after his resurrection. before he died, she was cocky and a smartass. hell, she even looks Murphy over in the police station,you can tell she had at least a little attraction to him. but after the Boddicker Gang Massacre she seems more reserved,a bit depressed,maybe? whe she's at the target range she seems uncomfortable shooting up the paper target - memories of watching Murphy get shot up intruding? even when she has her first inkling of Murphy being back in the same scene,she looks upset and,again,uncomfortable. then putting her life on the line to not only rescue Robo from the parking garage, but staying with him to face Boddicker and Co. again when she easily could've left - was TOLD to leave - shows she's grown up and has her partner's back this time. she screwed up the first time the teamed together,she wasn't going to do it again.
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Sin_Valor No. 4 dumbass on the board
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Comment: Don't touch me man!
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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:56 pm |
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Lewis for me! She was badass in 'RoboCop 1', she was also supportive and sympathised with Murphy. I didn't mind watching her mature throughout the films, I mean yes Nancy is aging, but so is the character and the years they spend in between the events of the trilogy...and I was pissed off when she got killed off. I ultimately HATED RoboCop 3 just because Lewis is dead, that was just bullshit. _________________
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