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RoboThreat
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I am very excited about all this.
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Ziggy716
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Comment: It's time to show how real cops kick ass.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:36 pm |
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This sounds nice and all (and for the longest time I've been praying before I go to bed for an updated Robo worth caring for. Prime Directives was horrible)
But like everyone else's worries I'm pretty much focused on whether or not they're keeping Detroit, who's playing Murphy, and who's doing the music? Clint Mansell is fantastic but I'd think a composer who packs a little bit more punch like Hans Zimmer or Steve Jablonsky can match the original movie's score.
I hope the satire is present too, Robocop's political and social satire is just one thing that makes Robocop great.
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Robocop_Unit_1983
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:49 pm |
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| Ziggy716 : | | Hans Zimmer or Steve Jablonsky can match the original movie's score. |
It is impossible for anyone to match the Poledouris score, Hans Zimmer cannot emulate the original Robocop score, neither can Jablonsky. The only ones who could take on the score are Zoe Poledouris and whomever has detailed knowledge about Basil's Robocop style.
Therein lies my other concern, they have not managed to find someone appropriate for the musical score.
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Ziggy716
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Comment: It's time to show how real cops kick ass.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:01 pm |
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It would never be possible to ever even come close to Basil's scores. What I really meant to say was mimic, copy perhaps. Since the day I watched Conan the Barbarian I knew he was the single genius in musical composition. Hans Zimmer and Steve just seem to the be only ones out there that can MIMIC an appropriate score. Will their music make you get chills as Robocop steps out of his cruiser? Probably not.
With the loss of Basil, the movie score world is pretty much dim in terms of Robocop. If a good composer is given a little time with the original score's sheet music, I'm sure he can come up with something passable, with a little trial and error.
The question is, is the soundtrack even being looked at as a major component by the production staff. It doesn't seem that they'll want sweeping scores in any case though if they want a noir feeling. Clint Mansell probably will do this.
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Swedish Robot
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Comment: Formerly Draliseth
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:43 am |
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| Robocop_Unit_1983 : | | Ziggy716 : | | Hans Zimmer or Steve Jablonsky can match the original movie's score. |
It is impossible for anyone to match the Poledouris score, Hans Zimmer cannot emulate the original Robocop score, neither can Jablonsky. The only ones who could take on the score are Zoe Poledouris and whomever has detailed knowledge about Basil's Robocop style.
Therein lies my other concern, they have not managed to find someone appropriate for the musical score. |
Those are pretty strong words from a man who has done numerous "mixes" of the RoboCop theme yourself (I still think that RvsT midi you did a few a years back was a great melding of both themes). Musicians, composers.. they know what they're doing. If there's something that needs to be respected in a theme, it will be. For anyone with iTunes, here's a good example. Personally, I wouldn't mind an overhaul of the theme. It's been a classic since I've heard it at the tender age of 3, but.. well, classics can't always keep up with what's needed.
That said, I would prefer a re-imagining of the theme in the same style that the Superman Returns soundtrack paid respects to the original John Williams theme, but there's going to be some change of some kind regardless. If it was exactly the same.. well.. what fun would that be? We might as well go get the first (or third) film soundtrack or watch those movies again.
My thoughts on Clint Mansell.. I think that he'd be able to hammer out a tune with the balls needed for this film. He proved he's got the musical chops with Requiem for a Dream's almost universally accepted score/theme (youtube has a plethora of videos featuring it). I looked into some of his other stuff, and seen a few of the other movies he's done. I thought Smokin' Aces was pretty fuckin' badass. A lot of what he does is.. atmospheric. From what I've seen (or heard..) from the DOOM movie, it's very moody, but I think that would be to RoboCop's benefit.
Another way I look at it is Batman and Batman Begins. Granted that Begins is intended as a reboot, they could have gone back or paid homage to the original theme, but instead.. they blew that fucker out of the water and delivered a soundtrack that personally gave me shivers. Watch some of the earliest trailers and you can hear the Terminator music in place of Basil's score. Hell, think of the Terminator theme in place of RoboCop's in general.. it still works great.
While we have the idea of Batman in our heads still, let's look at the suits The Caped Crusader has donned in the past two decades.
Batman has worn a different suit in EVERY movie unless you are including the beginning of The Dark Knight (go see it if you haven't). Sometimes to people's liking, sometimes to their disgust. Personally, I look at this way: If this was the first Batman movie, I would think they did a great job of bringing the suit to the screen.
First movie? Simple.. a little too stiff. Second movie? A bit more streamlined, mechanical look. Stiff, but seems more purposeful. It's BUILT for something. Third? Probably one of the most controversial - Bat Nipples. A lot of nay-sayers. Personally, I could live with it given the look of the suit. You give the current Batman a set of nipples (which they did to Christian Bale as a prank - he caught on immediately) and you ruin it because it's out of place. The merit of that suit was not only it's sleekness, but it's intent. Rome, anybody? I remember the Romans being the badasses of the known world at the time. Guess what?
They were damn proud of their milkers.
Now his suit has become pragmatic/realistically oriented, but it still looks great. I personally think they got better as they went.
What's the point? Change is good. Here's some examples with subtle and not so subtle changes I've found.
Lt. Dan-o-Cop
Bondage Robo
Robo... woman?
There's no mistaking there's RoboCop in there. Even the comics took various liberties between the extreme edges of his armor, his size, proportions, etc. Some more favorable.. some not. Regardless of what they change, it will be entirely recognizable. As cool as RoboCop looks, it's almost dated. He comes from a time where cars were blocky, home appliances were cubical, and square was in. There's some room in there for change.
I've gone ahead and highlighted some of the elements of his design that have stuck with me since I was a kid.
To me, when I was a kid, I could not appreciate a RoboCop toy unless he had the full on leg-pistons on the back of his calves. It just wasn't RoboCop to me without that! Those things were so cool! Then, the helmet, you can't change that too much. The visor and the chinguard.. those are his image. And it'll keep. Look at what the major changes to Batman have consisted of. But there are a handful of things that have always kept around, granted some slight variation from each outing. Take a look back at the same montage. Let's just make some highlights...
Those particular elements have always remained, but everything in between? Either completely overhauled or given a makeover. So.. the point is not only did I have some time to kill, but any change will probably be for the better, and they aren't going to butcher the poor guy anymore than he has been. Have faith. After all.. it's Hollywood. They gave him to us to begin with. 
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Officer Igor Antunes
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:10 am |
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Very good research Draliseth!
Thats why i would fall in love if they include the new Ford Taurus as the police cars as the image below:
You're totally right about changes that must be made to the Robosuit makes sense on the 21st century.
As i said before, i think robo will be more plastic than metal, just as the modern Glock pistols, and others made with high impact polymers.
They are lighter, cheaper, and easier to fix. And maybe a less "shining" RoboCop works better to undercover operations.
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Swedish Robot
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:32 am |
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| Officer Igor Antunes : |
As i said before, i think robo will be more plastic than metal, just as the modern Glock pistols, and others made with high impact polymers.
They are lighter, cheaper, and easier to fix. And maybe a less "shining" RoboCop works better to undercover operations. |
That's something that I've considered as well, the shiny thing. They actually talked about that in Batman Begins about keeping the shine of the suit low-key seeing as how this guy is supposed to prowl around in the shadows. That said.. I dun think they'd take away his luster, they want you to know that Robo is around and that you're fucked. 
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Dash
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:32 am |
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Dral, my thoughts exactly.
I think this is a lot like the nay-sayers that said Batman Begins would suck because they didn't use Danny Elfman's score. Such a standpoint is naive; the score is supposed to reflect the direction of the film. While Elfman's theme is super-heroic, Zimmer's score is a touch less super-heroic but more realistic--given the setting. I like Elfman's score because it's etched into my childhood (as is Poledouris's score for Robocop), but I like Zimmer's score because it's more "mature" (but still super-heroic).
I don't think the Robo-news hit me until I saw it on TV today; now I'm getting a little excited.  If they give Robocop even a fraction of the attention that Warner gave to Batman, we're in for a treat.
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Swedish Robot
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Comment: Formerly Draliseth
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:53 am |
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| Dash : | | I think this is a lot like the nay-sayers that said Batman Begins would suck because they didn't use Danny Elfman's score. Such a standpoint is naive; the score is supposed to reflect the direction of the film. |
God, the comics crowd are the worst of them all and the Batman movies a prime example of proving people wrong. Take the first movie for example - Michael Keaton as BATMAN?! Even the studio execs were iffy on Tim Burton until Beetlejuice scored at the box office. The same went with the new films. There were concerns for Christopher Nolan not being able to handle a Batman movie. Well, he's behind one of the biggest movies of this new century, plus he actually CO-WROTE the thing with his brother! That baby is his. Then, with casting Heath Ledger. I hate to sound rude, but people have been awfully close minded about those sorts of decisions and don't give people the credit they deserve. Those are the parrots that don't change their tune until they are proven to be utterly wrong.
Butterfly Effect. I remember my family (much to my chagrin..) acting surprised that Ashton Kutcher could do a dramatic movie. He's PRETENDING to play a retard on That 70's Show. Just like Kurtwood Smith, who is mentioned to be one of the nicest people to have on a set, plays an asshole. They're actors.
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Robocop_Unit_1983
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:01 am |
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Ah, my friend Draliseth always knows how to put things into perspective, and good thing you mentioned some key facts. I guess I could give the movie a chance, but I want to make sure it's gonna kick ass. I am sure that they'll be very careful this time, and something good could come out of this.
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DJR2096
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:38 am |
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For me, they should keep the shape of the chest plate & the feet too.
The leg pistons & the feet togeather are a must and are what I found graet about Robo's design.
Feet are an odd thing desighn. Bottin got it right!!!!
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RoboFan_93
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:43 pm |
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I don't think they sould change anything in the design..
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DJR2096
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Comment: They'll fix you.......they fix everything!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:45 pm |
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| RoboFan_93 : | | I don't think they sould change anything in the design.. |
True.
But they will!
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DoktorNo
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:32 pm |
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The hips could be redesigned, to look more flexible, like the abdomen section of current Robocop.
Leg pistons looks a bit anachronistic nowadays...
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