RoboCop 3 fan commentary

[KidGoesWild]

Anywayz, next chapter: Good As New

* What was the point of leaving the three men to guard the abandoned base? They would have stood no chance against any search patrol and would have simply given the Rehabs the map to the real base (on one of the three men). And why did the man even have that transparency with the red path, when he had no map to use it with? It was useless to him without a map, and only would have been a liability if he had been killed.

* The opaque red lined map that Otomo retrieves from his first fight is ridiculous. Why would people who know where the hidden base is be carrying around a map on them (which shows a route so basic that they'd have to be brain-dead not to be able to remember it anyway) just so that conveniently one of their enemies can get it? Not to mention he didnt even had it hidden, he had it STICKING OUT from the FRONT POCKET!

* Another example of the cartoonishly conveniently placed objects - the lone metal pipe was lying there just by the resistance guy's feet. He whacks Otomo with a metal pole on the right hand side of his face, yet when he stands up, his mouth is dislocated to the right, instead of the left

* "A vehicle is approaching" - more of the deep dialogue from the GPS-Robo. Seriously, you cannot possible tell me this auomat was ever human. Refrigirator has more personality

* Marie and Nikko show up with a huge police van, and lots of computer equipment. Are we to believe that they stole these items from a busy police station and no-one noticed? How did they get all those heavy computers and machines loaded into the van by themselves? Did the police not notice one of their SWAT vans missing either?

* More ripping off from the original - we see Robo repaired from his POV, completed with accidental turn on and even accidental screw up

* Inconsistency: in R2 its been said that a great equipment is needed to erase the directives, something that cant be done even in Robo lab. yet in R3 Marie erases directive 4 with just few things taken from the Robo lab

* Nothing better to force the connection to the original more than actual scenes from the first movie in a flashback

*"How are you feeling"? "My efficiency rate is 93%" - more GPS talk from the automat sitting on the chair like a statue. His robotic behavior not only cancels out any possibility that he has ever been a human ebing, but also shows his stupidity. Its a common sense to know that its a 9 year old girl asking how are you feeling. Simple" Im fione thank you, you should try to get some sleep" would have been much better and more like Muprhy - you know, the guy from the first movie that they built robocop from? The robocop from the first two movies?
Also, in R1 we see Robo sleeping with his head down and even with his mouth open. A very human-like behavior. He never just stood there like a statue. Agaian, Robocop in this movie is 100% machine with absolutely no traces of a human being. And to further ad to the commentary for that scene, he again presents his complete inability to communicate with human beings and have a conversation. Not only he's unresponsive and cant form a humane sentence, but he then goes back to his "freeze" mode just like that. It looks like Nikko talks to a wall

*Whats silly is that they even oput the same music in similar moments as in R1 - there are the same music cues when Robo identifies Niko's parents as they were in R1 when Robo was idnetifying his killers

[Joined]

Anywayz, next chapter: Good As New

* What was the point of leaving the three men to guard the abandoned base? They would have stood no chance against any search patrol and would have simply given the Rehabs the map to the real base (on one of the three men). And why did the man even have that transparency with the red path, when he had no map to use it with? It was useless to him without a map, and only would have been a liability if he had been killed.

* The opaque red lined map that Otomo retrieves from his first fight is ridiculous. Why would people who know where the hidden base is be carrying around a map on them (which shows a route so basic that they'd have to be brain-dead not to be able to remember it anyway) just so that conveniently one of their enemies can get it? Not to mention he didnt even had it hidden, he had it STICKING OUT from the FRONT POCKET!

* Another example of the cartoonishly conveniently placed objects - the lone metal pipe was lying there just by the resistance guy's feet. He whacks Otomo with a metal pole on the right hand side of his face, yet when he stands up, his mouth is dislocated to the right, instead of the left

* "A vehicle is approaching" - more of the deep dialogue from the GPS-Robo. Seriously, you cannot possible tell me this auomat was ever human. Refrigirator has more personality

* Marie and Nikko show up with a huge police van, and lots of computer equipment. Are we to believe that they stole these items from a busy police station and no-one noticed? How did they get all those heavy computers and machines loaded into the van by themselves? Did the police not notice one of their SWAT vans missing either?

* More ripping off from the original - we see Robo repaired from his POV, completed with accidental turn on and even accidental screw up

* Inconsistency: in R2 its been said that a great equipment is needed to erase the directives, something that cant be done even in Robo lab. yet in R3 Marie erases directive 4 with just few things taken from the Robo lab

* Nothing better to force the connection to the original more than actual scenes from the first movie in a flashback

*"How are you feeling"? "My efficiency rate is 93%" - more GPS talk from the automat sitting on the chair like a statue. His robotic behavior not only cancels out any possibility that he has ever been a human ebing, but also shows his stupidity. Its a common sense to know that its a 9 year old girl asking how are you feeling. Simple" Im fione thank you, you should try to get some sleep" would have been much better and more like Muprhy - you know, the guy from the first movie that they built robocop from? The robocop from the first two movies?
Also, in R1 we see Robo sleeping with his head down and even with his mouth open. A very human-like behavior. He never just stood there like a statue. Agaian, Robocop in this movie is 100% machine with absolutely no traces of a human being. And to further ad to the commentary for that scene, he again presents his complete inability to communicate with human beings and have a conversation. Not only he's unresponsive and cant form a humane sentence, but he then goes back to his "freeze" mode just like that. It looks like Nikko talks to a wall

*Whats silly is that they even oput the same music in similar moments as in R1 - there are the same music cues when Robo identifies Niko's parents as they were in R1 when Robo was idnetifying his killers

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Anywayz, next chapter: Good As New

* What was the point of leaving the three men to guard the abandoned base? They would have stood no chance against any search patrol and would have simply given the Rehabs the map to the real base (on one of the three men). And why did the man even have that transparency with the red path, when he had no map to use it with? It was useless to him without a map, and only would have been a liability if he had been killed.

* The opaque red lined map that Otomo retrieves from his first fight is ridiculous. Why would people who know where the hidden base is be carrying around a map on them (which shows a route so basic that they'd have to be brain-dead not to be able to remember it anyway) just so that conveniently one of their enemies can get it? Not to mention he didnt even had it hidden, he had it STICKING OUT from the FRONT POCKET!

* Another example of the cartoonishly conveniently placed objects - the lone metal pipe was lying there just by the resistance guy's feet. He whacks Otomo with a metal pole on the right hand side of his face, yet when he stands up, his mouth is dislocated to the right, instead of the left

* "A vehicle is approaching" - more of the deep dialogue from the GPS-Robo. Seriously, you cannot possible tell me this auomat was ever human. Refrigirator has more personality

* Marie and Nikko show up with a huge police van, and lots of computer equipment. Are we to believe that they stole these items from a busy police station and no-one noticed? How did they get all those heavy computers and machines loaded into the van by themselves? Did the police not notice one of their SWAT vans missing either?

* More ripping off from the original - we see Robo repaired from his POV, completed with accidental turn on and even accidental screw up

* Inconsistency: in R2 its been said that a great equipment is needed to erase the directives, something that cant be done even in Robo lab. yet in R3 Marie erases directive 4 with just few things taken from the Robo lab

* Nothing better to force the connection to the original more than actual scenes from the first movie in a flashback

*"How are you feeling"? "My efficiency rate is 93%" - more GPS talk from the automat sitting on the chair like a statue. His robotic behavior not only cancels out any possibility that he has ever been a human ebing, but also shows his stupidity. Its a common sense to know that its a 9 year old girl asking how are you feeling. Simple" Im fione thank you, you should try to get some sleep" would have been much better and more like Muprhy - you know, the guy from the first movie that they built robocop from? The robocop from the first two movies?
Also, in R1 we see Robo sleeping with his head down and even with his mouth open. A very human-like behavior. He never just stood there like a statue. Agaian, Robocop in this movie is 100% machine with absolutely no traces of a human being. And to further ad to the commentary for that scene, he again presents his complete inability to communicate with human beings and have a conversation. Not only he's unresponsive and cant form a humane sentence, but he then goes back to his "freeze" mode just like that. It looks like Nikko talks to a wall

*Whats silly is that they even oput the same music in similar moments as in R1 - there are the same music cues when Robo identifies Niko's parents as they were in R1 when Robo was idnetifying his killers

[Comment]

Anywayz, next chapter: Good As New

* What was the point of leaving the three men to guard the abandoned base? They would have stood no chance against any search patrol and would have simply given the Rehabs the map to the real base (on one of the three men). And why did the man even have that transparency with the red path, when he had no map to use it with? It was useless to him without a map, and only would have been a liability if he had been killed.

* The opaque red lined map that Otomo retrieves from his first fight is ridiculous. Why would people who know where the hidden base is be carrying around a map on them (which shows a route so basic that they'd have to be brain-dead not to be able to remember it anyway) just so that conveniently one of their enemies can get it? Not to mention he didnt even had it hidden, he had it STICKING OUT from the FRONT POCKET!

* Another example of the cartoonishly conveniently placed objects - the lone metal pipe was lying there just by the resistance guy's feet. He whacks Otomo with a metal pole on the right hand side of his face, yet when he stands up, his mouth is dislocated to the right, instead of the left

* "A vehicle is approaching" - more of the deep dialogue from the GPS-Robo. Seriously, you cannot possible tell me this auomat was ever human. Refrigirator has more personality

* Marie and Nikko show up with a huge police van, and lots of computer equipment. Are we to believe that they stole these items from a busy police station and no-one noticed? How did they get all those heavy computers and machines loaded into the van by themselves? Did the police not notice one of their SWAT vans missing either?

* More ripping off from the original - we see Robo repaired from his POV, completed with accidental turn on and even accidental screw up

* Inconsistency: in R2 its been said that a great equipment is needed to erase the directives, something that cant be done even in Robo lab. yet in R3 Marie erases directive 4 with just few things taken from the Robo lab

* Nothing better to force the connection to the original more than actual scenes from the first movie in a flashback

*"How are you feeling"? "My efficiency rate is 93%" - more GPS talk from the automat sitting on the chair like a statue. His robotic behavior not only cancels out any possibility that he has ever been a human ebing, but also shows his stupidity. Its a common sense to know that its a 9 year old girl asking how are you feeling. Simple" Im fione thank you, you should try to get some sleep" would have been much better and more like Muprhy - you know, the guy from the first movie that they built robocop from? The robocop from the first two movies?
Also, in R1 we see Robo sleeping with his head down and even with his mouth open. A very human-like behavior. He never just stood there like a statue. Agaian, Robocop in this movie is 100% machine with absolutely no traces of a human being. And to further ad to the commentary for that scene, he again presents his complete inability to communicate with human beings and have a conversation. Not only he's unresponsive and cant form a humane sentence, but he then goes back to his "freeze" mode just like that. It looks like Nikko talks to a wall

*Whats silly is that they even oput the same music in similar moments as in R1 - there are the same music cues when Robo identifies Niko's parents as they were in R1 when Robo was idnetifying his killers

[KidGoesWild]

And the next one: Unfinished Business

* Robo storms out of the underground base taking with him his hand attachment, but when he arrives at the police station he has the hand attachment on. A few scenes later he arrives at McDaggetts hotel, and now does not have the hand attachment on, and is back to using his normal gun. Then, when he returns to the underground base, he still is using his normal hand and drops the hand attachment on the ground. So in between all these scenes, where was he keeping his hand and the attachment? He was on foot all the time, and he obviously wasn't carrying them both...

* Robo enters the police station and we hear more of the GPS talk.

* The rehab guy asking for a cigarrette continues the search for his lighter by touching his body armor. I mean, do they have pockets in those??

* Here we have R3 shootout. Oh boy. In R1 (drug factory) and R2 (Cain's mill) we've seen some great shootout scenes and Robo's moves were choreographed so the way he was shooting the bad guys looked interesting and fancy. In R3, Robo just walks straight and thats it. No turning around, no fancy moves, just walking straight like Frankenstein (well, he acts like him too) and burning...walls...We also see more ripping off from the original. There are moments when he approcahes and grabs the rehab guy that resemble the scene with Clarence in the drug factory. They even used the same camera angles

* How come Mcdagget didnt hear the shooting in the hall? HOW?? Robo used his entire clip to shoot that gun in the air and it was in the same corridor where Mcdagget was. Dont forget that Robo's automatic gun is so loud that it was louder than 10 police handguns shooting at the same time in R1. And whats the point in this "dont" trick anyway? He just shot two rehab guys downstairs for pulling their guns on him, yet instead of taking this guy out too he does the trick with the gun, wasting both time and risking loosing his surprise element for mcdagget.

* Why the hell Robo doesnt use doors??? He shot a hole in the door that wasnt even locked to enter When the elevator door sticks, he pushes the thick metal doors outward as though they were made of tinfoil. But when he reaches the room, he shoots out a silhouette in a flimsy wooden door to get in. How stupid. Total waste of ammunition and spoils the surprise factor.
And why wasnt mcdagget doing anything when he saw his door being shot at?

* pimp car...its a full blown comedy now,. Theres no satire in the movie, just comedy, and its obvsiou the writers thought both are the same thing. Robo in a pink car with the plush dices and all that is simply a parody element

* Why are there bullet holes all over McDaggett's van when RoboCop is shooting at him? RoboCop has an advanced tracking system, so he never misses. All of his shots should have hit McDaggett, and only 1 or 2 appear to hit him on his bullet proof helmet.

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And the next one: Unfinished Business

* Robo storms out of the underground base taking with him his hand attachment, but when he arrives at the police station he has the hand attachment on. A few scenes later he arrives at McDaggetts hotel, and now does not have the hand attachment on, and is back to using his normal gun. Then, when he returns to the underground base, he still is using his normal hand and drops the hand attachment on the ground. So in between all these scenes, where was he keeping his hand and the attachment? He was on foot all the time, and he obviously wasn't carrying them both...

* Robo enters the police station and we hear more of the GPS talk.

* The rehab guy asking for a cigarrette continues the search for his lighter by touching his body armor. I mean, do they have pockets in those??

* Here we have R3 shootout. Oh boy. In R1 (drug factory) and R2 (Cain's mill) we've seen some great shootout scenes and Robo's moves were choreographed so the way he was shooting the bad guys looked interesting and fancy. In R3, Robo just walks straight and thats it. No turning around, no fancy moves, just walking straight like Frankenstein (well, he acts like him too) and burning...walls...We also see more ripping off from the original. There are moments when he approcahes and grabs the rehab guy that resemble the scene with Clarence in the drug factory. They even used the same camera angles

* How come Mcdagget didnt hear the shooting in the hall? HOW?? Robo used his entire clip to shoot that gun in the air and it was in the same corridor where Mcdagget was. Dont forget that Robo's automatic gun is so loud that it was louder than 10 police handguns shooting at the same time in R1. And whats the point in this "dont" trick anyway? He just shot two rehab guys downstairs for pulling their guns on him, yet instead of taking this guy out too he does the trick with the gun, wasting both time and risking loosing his surprise element for mcdagget.

* Why the hell Robo doesnt use doors??? He shot a hole in the door that wasnt even locked to enter When the elevator door sticks, he pushes the thick metal doors outward as though they were made of tinfoil. But when he reaches the room, he shoots out a silhouette in a flimsy wooden door to get in. How stupid. Total waste of ammunition and spoils the surprise factor.
And why wasnt mcdagget doing anything when he saw his door being shot at?

* pimp car...its a full blown comedy now,. Theres no satire in the movie, just comedy, and its obvsiou the writers thought both are the same thing. Robo in a pink car with the plush dices and all that is simply a parody element

* Why are there bullet holes all over McDaggett's van when RoboCop is shooting at him? RoboCop has an advanced tracking system, so he never misses. All of his shots should have hit McDaggett, and only 1 or 2 appear to hit him on his bullet proof helmet.

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And the next one: Unfinished Business

* Robo storms out of the underground base taking with him his hand attachment, but when he arrives at the police station he has the hand attachment on. A few scenes later he arrives at McDaggetts hotel, and now does not have the hand attachment on, and is back to using his normal gun. Then, when he returns to the underground base, he still is using his normal hand and drops the hand attachment on the ground. So in between all these scenes, where was he keeping his hand and the attachment? He was on foot all the time, and he obviously wasn't carrying them both...

* Robo enters the police station and we hear more of the GPS talk.

* The rehab guy asking for a cigarrette continues the search for his lighter by touching his body armor. I mean, do they have pockets in those??

* Here we have R3 shootout. Oh boy. In R1 (drug factory) and R2 (Cain's mill) we've seen some great shootout scenes and Robo's moves were choreographed so the way he was shooting the bad guys looked interesting and fancy. In R3, Robo just walks straight and thats it. No turning around, no fancy moves, just walking straight like Frankenstein (well, he acts like him too) and burning...walls...We also see more ripping off from the original. There are moments when he approcahes and grabs the rehab guy that resemble the scene with Clarence in the drug factory. They even used the same camera angles

* How come Mcdagget didnt hear the shooting in the hall? HOW?? Robo used his entire clip to shoot that gun in the air and it was in the same corridor where Mcdagget was. Dont forget that Robo's automatic gun is so loud that it was louder than 10 police handguns shooting at the same time in R1. And whats the point in this "dont" trick anyway? He just shot two rehab guys downstairs for pulling their guns on him, yet instead of taking this guy out too he does the trick with the gun, wasting both time and risking loosing his surprise element for mcdagget.

* Why the hell Robo doesnt use doors??? He shot a hole in the door that wasnt even locked to enter When the elevator door sticks, he pushes the thick metal doors outward as though they were made of tinfoil. But when he reaches the room, he shoots out a silhouette in a flimsy wooden door to get in. How stupid. Total waste of ammunition and spoils the surprise factor.
And why wasnt mcdagget doing anything when he saw his door being shot at?

* pimp car...its a full blown comedy now,. Theres no satire in the movie, just comedy, and its obvsiou the writers thought both are the same thing. Robo in a pink car with the plush dices and all that is simply a parody element

* Why are there bullet holes all over McDaggett's van when RoboCop is shooting at him? RoboCop has an advanced tracking system, so he never misses. All of his shots should have hit McDaggett, and only 1 or 2 appear to hit him on his bullet proof helmet.

[Comment]

And the next one: Unfinished Business

* Robo storms out of the underground base taking with him his hand attachment, but when he arrives at the police station he has the hand attachment on. A few scenes later he arrives at McDaggetts hotel, and now does not have the hand attachment on, and is back to using his normal gun. Then, when he returns to the underground base, he still is using his normal hand and drops the hand attachment on the ground. So in between all these scenes, where was he keeping his hand and the attachment? He was on foot all the time, and he obviously wasn't carrying them both...

* Robo enters the police station and we hear more of the GPS talk.

* The rehab guy asking for a cigarrette continues the search for his lighter by touching his body armor. I mean, do they have pockets in those??

* Here we have R3 shootout. Oh boy. In R1 (drug factory) and R2 (Cain's mill) we've seen some great shootout scenes and Robo's moves were choreographed so the way he was shooting the bad guys looked interesting and fancy. In R3, Robo just walks straight and thats it. No turning around, no fancy moves, just walking straight like Frankenstein (well, he acts like him too) and burning...walls...We also see more ripping off from the original. There are moments when he approcahes and grabs the rehab guy that resemble the scene with Clarence in the drug factory. They even used the same camera angles

* How come Mcdagget didnt hear the shooting in the hall? HOW?? Robo used his entire clip to shoot that gun in the air and it was in the same corridor where Mcdagget was. Dont forget that Robo's automatic gun is so loud that it was louder than 10 police handguns shooting at the same time in R1. And whats the point in this "dont" trick anyway? He just shot two rehab guys downstairs for pulling their guns on him, yet instead of taking this guy out too he does the trick with the gun, wasting both time and risking loosing his surprise element for mcdagget.

* Why the hell Robo doesnt use doors??? He shot a hole in the door that wasnt even locked to enter When the elevator door sticks, he pushes the thick metal doors outward as though they were made of tinfoil. But when he reaches the room, he shoots out a silhouette in a flimsy wooden door to get in. How stupid. Total waste of ammunition and spoils the surprise factor.
And why wasnt mcdagget doing anything when he saw his door being shot at?

* pimp car...its a full blown comedy now,. Theres no satire in the movie, just comedy, and its obvsiou the writers thought both are the same thing. Robo in a pink car with the plush dices and all that is simply a parody element

* Why are there bullet holes all over McDaggett's van when RoboCop is shooting at him? RoboCop has an advanced tracking system, so he never misses. All of his shots should have hit McDaggett, and only 1 or 2 appear to hit him on his bullet proof helmet.

[KidGoesWild]

Next: Invasion

Not much to say here because its a short chapter

* Why Kuntz went back to the base? Why didnt the rehabs just storm the place right away, why wouldnt he wait to arrive with rehabs, why would he want to go back into the base and tell everyone that its gonna be stormed in few moments?

* Why would Reed or any other cop pay for damages Robo had done? By which law? Robo is a machine constructed by OCP, so if something, they are reliable IF someone other than Robo has to be. He's a product and when product does damage, the manufacturer is responsible. And besides, even if Robo is considered a part of the department and a cop, why would anyone pay for other cops' damages?


Next Chapter: Good vs Evil

* The commercials in R1 and R2 were satires for American consumption and other issues. For exaple, Nukem commercial showed the innapropriate family play in war, the sunblock commercial showed that most of the drugs abnd cosmetics do more damage than good etc. But in R3 we just get n action figure commercial in a cartoon.

* When Robo goes back to the underground base, there is a wide shot of him looking around him, and there is nothing on the floor. Robo takes 4 steps infront of him and we are then shown a map right at his feet. It wasn't there a second ago.

* What is Otomo even doing there? How did he know that Robo wasnt destroyed or didnt know about the attack and that he will be back? And what took so very long to get there?

* When Robo gets his arm chopped off by Otomo, he stands up and in Robovision, you see that he needs power, but you cannot see Otomo who is supposedly right in front of him.

* Some of the most cringe worthy lines from Robo. I mean cheese-us, what happened to Murphy, serriously. "Detroit Police,Identify yourself" and when he gets his fingers cut out he is saying that Otomo is arrested for destroying a police property? Man! Where is Murphy???

* Inconsistency: So not only robo lost his human personality and mind, but also his nerves too? Whenever he was hurt in R1 and R2 he showed great pain. When his arm got blasted in R2 weve seen him in pain. Yet here in R3 - completely nothing. Unmoved, just like by everything else.
Robo DOES feel pain. Why? simple as that - he has a brain. And its brain thats responsible for pain and has the pain sensors. Now, we know from R2 that he also has nerves as stated by his technicians (and they also clearly say he feels pain). Nerves are responsible for touch and pain. Brain cant be by itself, there has to be a spine there and spine contains all the nerve and spinal chords. And since the brain isnt there just cause its cool this way but its actually connected to the body and controls it, it feels pain just like any human being would. The spine and brain are connected to the mechanisms of the body responsible for movement and commands, so if those mechanisms are touched or hit, he feels pain like if we do when our body is hurt because the nerves and brain are connected to it like they are to our muscles and organism. Simple logic and biology.

Also note when Clarence moves the spike around it hurts Robo even more

Since the brain HAS TO be connected to the CPU and basic mechanisms in order to at least partially controll them, if those are hit or damaged, he feels pain

To support that: note that he doesnt feel pain when his external parts are damaged, like when his armor gets shot. Yet he does react when internal systems are touched - like in R1 when Clarence "nails" him or in R2 when the saw starts to cut through him or when hes getting hit with thousands of volts that run through his entire body, or when ED 209 ripps his armor apart with its bullets or when Hob balsts his hand off - and in R1 too when his body was electrically shocked when Directive 4 kicked in. He was obviously in pain too, twisting, moaning and screaming in agony.

Another thing is that its a storytelling device. Robocop (at leats in the first two movies) is a man/conciousness of a man trapped in a machine. He looks like a machine, but his mind and personality and HUMANITY is still there. Its easier to connect with and feel for the character if he seems like us, feels pain, anger etc.

And now of course R3 comes in and confuses the hell out of everything cause Robo doesnt feel pain or any human emotions at all in that movie. When his arm gets cut off and even when he gets hit by a grenade he just acts like plain robot with blank expression and zero emotions (even when Lewis dies he remains calm!!)

* Inconsistency: In R2, Robo gets his hand shot off and he carries on fine. In this film, he gets his hand cut off and suffers a major power drain. What a weakling he has become...

* Another painfully conveniently placed element: Robo gets hit and falls and it so happened that the gunarm was lying right next to him

* When Otomo cuts off RoboCop's hand, RoboCop easily places his attachment in place of it and continues fighting. But his arm needed to be screwed off, and Otomo made a clean cut, so surely there would be bits of metal, plastic and wires that would have needed moving before RoboCop could put his attachment on?

* We see Casey picking his nose. Its very funny...if youre 10

* the Rehabs gave splatterpunks all kinds of guns from shotguns, handguns, and automatic weapons. The cops and deputized citizens have similiar weapons. But for all the shooting, not one gang member is hit and only one citizen appears to be shot (aside from the three blown off the building roof by the Rehab tank.) I don't think anyone has any bullets.

[Joined]

Next: Invasion

Not much to say here because its a short chapter

* Why Kuntz went back to the base? Why didnt the rehabs just storm the place right away, why wouldnt he wait to arrive with rehabs, why would he want to go back into the base and tell everyone that its gonna be stormed in few moments?

* Why would Reed or any other cop pay for damages Robo had done? By which law? Robo is a machine constructed by OCP, so if something, they are reliable IF someone other than Robo has to be. He's a product and when product does damage, the manufacturer is responsible. And besides, even if Robo is considered a part of the department and a cop, why would anyone pay for other cops' damages?


Next Chapter: Good vs Evil

* The commercials in R1 and R2 were satires for American consumption and other issues. For exaple, Nukem commercial showed the innapropriate family play in war, the sunblock commercial showed that most of the drugs abnd cosmetics do more damage than good etc. But in R3 we just get n action figure commercial in a cartoon.

* When Robo goes back to the underground base, there is a wide shot of him looking around him, and there is nothing on the floor. Robo takes 4 steps infront of him and we are then shown a map right at his feet. It wasn't there a second ago.

* What is Otomo even doing there? How did he know that Robo wasnt destroyed or didnt know about the attack and that he will be back? And what took so very long to get there?

* When Robo gets his arm chopped off by Otomo, he stands up and in Robovision, you see that he needs power, but you cannot see Otomo who is supposedly right in front of him.

* Some of the most cringe worthy lines from Robo. I mean cheese-us, what happened to Murphy, serriously. "Detroit Police,Identify yourself" and when he gets his fingers cut out he is saying that Otomo is arrested for destroying a police property? Man! Where is Murphy???

* Inconsistency: So not only robo lost his human personality and mind, but also his nerves too? Whenever he was hurt in R1 and R2 he showed great pain. When his arm got blasted in R2 weve seen him in pain. Yet here in R3 - completely nothing. Unmoved, just like by everything else.
Robo DOES feel pain. Why? simple as that - he has a brain. And its brain thats responsible for pain and has the pain sensors. Now, we know from R2 that he also has nerves as stated by his technicians (and they also clearly say he feels pain). Nerves are responsible for touch and pain. Brain cant be by itself, there has to be a spine there and spine contains all the nerve and spinal chords. And since the brain isnt there just cause its cool this way but its actually connected to the body and controls it, it feels pain just like any human being would. The spine and brain are connected to the mechanisms of the body responsible for movement and commands, so if those mechanisms are touched or hit, he feels pain like if we do when our body is hurt because the nerves and brain are connected to it like they are to our muscles and organism. Simple logic and biology.

Also note when Clarence moves the spike around it hurts Robo even more

Since the brain HAS TO be connected to the CPU and basic mechanisms in order to at least partially controll them, if those are hit or damaged, he feels pain

To support that: note that he doesnt feel pain when his external parts are damaged, like when his armor gets shot. Yet he does react when internal systems are touched - like in R1 when Clarence "nails" him or in R2 when the saw starts to cut through him or when hes getting hit with thousands of volts that run through his entire body, or when ED 209 ripps his armor apart with its bullets or when Hob balsts his hand off - and in R1 too when his body was electrically shocked when Directive 4 kicked in. He was obviously in pain too, twisting, moaning and screaming in agony.

Another thing is that its a storytelling device. Robocop (at leats in the first two movies) is a man/conciousness of a man trapped in a machine. He looks like a machine, but his mind and personality and HUMANITY is still there. Its easier to connect with and feel for the character if he seems like us, feels pain, anger etc.

And now of course R3 comes in and confuses the hell out of everything cause Robo doesnt feel pain or any human emotions at all in that movie. When his arm gets cut off and even when he gets hit by a grenade he just acts like plain robot with blank expression and zero emotions (even when Lewis dies he remains calm!!)

* Inconsistency: In R2, Robo gets his hand shot off and he carries on fine. In this film, he gets his hand cut off and suffers a major power drain. What a weakling he has become...

* Another painfully conveniently placed element: Robo gets hit and falls and it so happened that the gunarm was lying right next to him

* When Otomo cuts off RoboCop's hand, RoboCop easily places his attachment in place of it and continues fighting. But his arm needed to be screwed off, and Otomo made a clean cut, so surely there would be bits of metal, plastic and wires that would have needed moving before RoboCop could put his attachment on?

* We see Casey picking his nose. Its very funny...if youre 10

* the Rehabs gave splatterpunks all kinds of guns from shotguns, handguns, and automatic weapons. The cops and deputized citizens have similiar weapons. But for all the shooting, not one gang member is hit and only one citizen appears to be shot (aside from the three blown off the building roof by the Rehab tank.) I don't think anyone has any bullets.

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Next: Invasion

Not much to say here because its a short chapter

* Why Kuntz went back to the base? Why didnt the rehabs just storm the place right away, why wouldnt he wait to arrive with rehabs, why would he want to go back into the base and tell everyone that its gonna be stormed in few moments?

* Why would Reed or any other cop pay for damages Robo had done? By which law? Robo is a machine constructed by OCP, so if something, they are reliable IF someone other than Robo has to be. He's a product and when product does damage, the manufacturer is responsible. And besides, even if Robo is considered a part of the department and a cop, why would anyone pay for other cops' damages?


Next Chapter: Good vs Evil

* The commercials in R1 and R2 were satires for American consumption and other issues. For exaple, Nukem commercial showed the innapropriate family play in war, the sunblock commercial showed that most of the drugs abnd cosmetics do more damage than good etc. But in R3 we just get n action figure commercial in a cartoon.

* When Robo goes back to the underground base, there is a wide shot of him looking around him, and there is nothing on the floor. Robo takes 4 steps infront of him and we are then shown a map right at his feet. It wasn't there a second ago.

* What is Otomo even doing there? How did he know that Robo wasnt destroyed or didnt know about the attack and that he will be back? And what took so very long to get there?

* When Robo gets his arm chopped off by Otomo, he stands up and in Robovision, you see that he needs power, but you cannot see Otomo who is supposedly right in front of him.

* Some of the most cringe worthy lines from Robo. I mean cheese-us, what happened to Murphy, serriously. "Detroit Police,Identify yourself" and when he gets his fingers cut out he is saying that Otomo is arrested for destroying a police property? Man! Where is Murphy???

* Inconsistency: So not only robo lost his human personality and mind, but also his nerves too? Whenever he was hurt in R1 and R2 he showed great pain. When his arm got blasted in R2 weve seen him in pain. Yet here in R3 - completely nothing. Unmoved, just like by everything else.
Robo DOES feel pain. Why? simple as that - he has a brain. And its brain thats responsible for pain and has the pain sensors. Now, we know from R2 that he also has nerves as stated by his technicians (and they also clearly say he feels pain). Nerves are responsible for touch and pain. Brain cant be by itself, there has to be a spine there and spine contains all the nerve and spinal chords. And since the brain isnt there just cause its cool this way but its actually connected to the body and controls it, it feels pain just like any human being would. The spine and brain are connected to the mechanisms of the body responsible for movement and commands, so if those mechanisms are touched or hit, he feels pain like if we do when our body is hurt because the nerves and brain are connected to it like they are to our muscles and organism. Simple logic and biology.

Also note when Clarence moves the spike around it hurts Robo even more

Since the brain HAS TO be connected to the CPU and basic mechanisms in order to at least partially controll them, if those are hit or damaged, he feels pain

To support that: note that he doesnt feel pain when his external parts are damaged, like when his armor gets shot. Yet he does react when internal systems are touched - like in R1 when Clarence "nails" him or in R2 when the saw starts to cut through him or when hes getting hit with thousands of volts that run through his entire body, or when ED 209 ripps his armor apart with its bullets or when Hob balsts his hand off - and in R1 too when his body was electrically shocked when Directive 4 kicked in. He was obviously in pain too, twisting, moaning and screaming in agony.

Another thing is that its a storytelling device. Robocop (at leats in the first two movies) is a man/conciousness of a man trapped in a machine. He looks like a machine, but his mind and personality and HUMANITY is still there. Its easier to connect with and feel for the character if he seems like us, feels pain, anger etc.

And now of course R3 comes in and confuses the hell out of everything cause Robo doesnt feel pain or any human emotions at all in that movie. When his arm gets cut off and even when he gets hit by a grenade he just acts like plain robot with blank expression and zero emotions (even when Lewis dies he remains calm!!)

* Inconsistency: In R2, Robo gets his hand shot off and he carries on fine. In this film, he gets his hand cut off and suffers a major power drain. What a weakling he has become...

* Another painfully conveniently placed element: Robo gets hit and falls and it so happened that the gunarm was lying right next to him

* When Otomo cuts off RoboCop's hand, RoboCop easily places his attachment in place of it and continues fighting. But his arm needed to be screwed off, and Otomo made a clean cut, so surely there would be bits of metal, plastic and wires that would have needed moving before RoboCop could put his attachment on?

* We see Casey picking his nose. Its very funny...if youre 10

* the Rehabs gave splatterpunks all kinds of guns from shotguns, handguns, and automatic weapons. The cops and deputized citizens have similiar weapons. But for all the shooting, not one gang member is hit and only one citizen appears to be shot (aside from the three blown off the building roof by the Rehab tank.) I don't think anyone has any bullets.

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Next: Invasion

Not much to say here because its a short chapter

* Why Kuntz went back to the base? Why didnt the rehabs just storm the place right away, why wouldnt he wait to arrive with rehabs, why would he want to go back into the base and tell everyone that its gonna be stormed in few moments?

* Why would Reed or any other cop pay for damages Robo had done? By which law? Robo is a machine constructed by OCP, so if something, they are reliable IF someone other than Robo has to be. He's a product and when product does damage, the manufacturer is responsible. And besides, even if Robo is considered a part of the department and a cop, why would anyone pay for other cops' damages?


Next Chapter: Good vs Evil

* The commercials in R1 and R2 were satires for American consumption and other issues. For exaple, Nukem commercial showed the innapropriate family play in war, the sunblock commercial showed that most of the drugs abnd cosmetics do more damage than good etc. But in R3 we just get n action figure commercial in a cartoon.

* When Robo goes back to the underground base, there is a wide shot of him looking around him, and there is nothing on the floor. Robo takes 4 steps infront of him and we are then shown a map right at his feet. It wasn't there a second ago.

* What is Otomo even doing there? How did he know that Robo wasnt destroyed or didnt know about the attack and that he will be back? And what took so very long to get there?

* When Robo gets his arm chopped off by Otomo, he stands up and in Robovision, you see that he needs power, but you cannot see Otomo who is supposedly right in front of him.

* Some of the most cringe worthy lines from Robo. I mean cheese-us, what happened to Murphy, serriously. "Detroit Police,Identify yourself" and when he gets his fingers cut out he is saying that Otomo is arrested for destroying a police property? Man! Where is Murphy???

* Inconsistency: So not only robo lost his human personality and mind, but also his nerves too? Whenever he was hurt in R1 and R2 he showed great pain. When his arm got blasted in R2 weve seen him in pain. Yet here in R3 - completely nothing. Unmoved, just like by everything else.
Robo DOES feel pain. Why? simple as that - he has a brain. And its brain thats responsible for pain and has the pain sensors. Now, we know from R2 that he also has nerves as stated by his technicians (and they also clearly say he feels pain). Nerves are responsible for touch and pain. Brain cant be by itself, there has to be a spine there and spine contains all the nerve and spinal chords. And since the brain isnt there just cause its cool this way but its actually connected to the body and controls it, it feels pain just like any human being would. The spine and brain are connected to the mechanisms of the body responsible for movement and commands, so if those mechanisms are touched or hit, he feels pain like if we do when our body is hurt because the nerves and brain are connected to it like they are to our muscles and organism. Simple logic and biology.

Also note when Clarence moves the spike around it hurts Robo even more

Since the brain HAS TO be connected to the CPU and basic mechanisms in order to at least partially controll them, if those are hit or damaged, he feels pain

To support that: note that he doesnt feel pain when his external parts are damaged, like when his armor gets shot. Yet he does react when internal systems are touched - like in R1 when Clarence "nails" him or in R2 when the saw starts to cut through him or when hes getting hit with thousands of volts that run through his entire body, or when ED 209 ripps his armor apart with its bullets or when Hob balsts his hand off - and in R1 too when his body was electrically shocked when Directive 4 kicked in. He was obviously in pain too, twisting, moaning and screaming in agony.

Another thing is that its a storytelling device. Robocop (at leats in the first two movies) is a man/conciousness of a man trapped in a machine. He looks like a machine, but his mind and personality and HUMANITY is still there. Its easier to connect with and feel for the character if he seems like us, feels pain, anger etc.

And now of course R3 comes in and confuses the hell out of everything cause Robo doesnt feel pain or any human emotions at all in that movie. When his arm gets cut off and even when he gets hit by a grenade he just acts like plain robot with blank expression and zero emotions (even when Lewis dies he remains calm!!)

* Inconsistency: In R2, Robo gets his hand shot off and he carries on fine. In this film, he gets his hand cut off and suffers a major power drain. What a weakling he has become...

* Another painfully conveniently placed element: Robo gets hit and falls and it so happened that the gunarm was lying right next to him

* When Otomo cuts off RoboCop's hand, RoboCop easily places his attachment in place of it and continues fighting. But his arm needed to be screwed off, and Otomo made a clean cut, so surely there would be bits of metal, plastic and wires that would have needed moving before RoboCop could put his attachment on?

* We see Casey picking his nose. Its very funny...if youre 10

* the Rehabs gave splatterpunks all kinds of guns from shotguns, handguns, and automatic weapons. The cops and deputized citizens have similiar weapons. But for all the shooting, not one gang member is hit and only one citizen appears to be shot (aside from the three blown off the building roof by the Rehab tank.) I don't think anyone has any bullets.

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KGW, you hit it. Even the few lines that would remotely sound like Weller's Robo (You are making a Mistake and Dead or alive, you're coming with me) still feel forced and unnatural at times.

You guys said it, Weller's RoboCop kept it real Dirty Harry-like, keeping his quips short and sweet, yet still having a robotic tone to 'em. R3 just fails at that entirely.
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KGW, you hit it. Even the few lines that would remotely sound like Weller's Robo (You are making a Mistake and Dead or alive, you're coming with me) still feel forced and unnatural at times.

You guys said it, Weller's RoboCop kept it real Dirty Harry-like, keeping his quips short and sweet, yet still having a robotic tone to 'em. R3 just fails at that entirely.
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KGW, you hit it. Even the few lines that would remotely sound like Weller's Robo (You are making a Mistake and Dead or alive, you're coming with me) still feel forced and unnatural at times.

You guys said it, Weller's RoboCop kept it real Dirty Harry-like, keeping his quips short and sweet, yet still having a robotic tone to 'em. R3 just fails at that entirely.
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KGW, you hit it. Even the few lines that would remotely sound like Weller's Robo (You are making a Mistake and Dead or alive, you're coming with me) still feel forced and unnatural at times.

You guys said it, Weller's RoboCop kept it real Dirty Harry-like, keeping his quips short and sweet, yet still having a robotic tone to 'em. R3 just fails at that entirely.
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[KidGoesWild]

Next chapter: Airbourne

* Old gramma shooting Uzi. Maybe, just maybe, a person can sucessfully use small handguns if he didnt have a training. But machine guns require training in both targeting and hadnling because they can easily misplace your shoulder or even break your arm. How come the gramma is so strong to keep Uzi in the proper position like Spec-Ops do, and firing like Rambo?

* As mentioned by Stan, Cops using shotguns...from the roof

* Its interesting that Rehabs didnt take all the weapons they found in Resistance's base and left the jetpack lying next to the self-turning-on TV so Robo can find it when he's gonna be crawling towards the TV

* It seems like Dekker did everything Verhoeven tried hard not to. It seems like all the cheese Verhoeven struggled to avoid (and to everyone's suprise, very sucessfully did) Dekker brought in in this movie. From Lewis' long hairdo to Robo's robotic behavior and silly Inspector Gadget gadgets, now completed with...flying Robocop!

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* Old gramma shooting Uzi. Maybe, just maybe, a person can sucessfully use small handguns if he didnt have a training. But machine guns require training in both targeting and hadnling because they can easily misplace your shoulder or even break your arm. How come the gramma is so strong to keep Uzi in the proper position like Spec-Ops do, and firing like Rambo?

* As mentioned by Stan, Cops using shotguns...from the roof

* Its interesting that Rehabs didnt take all the weapons they found in Resistance's base and left the jetpack lying next to the self-turning-on TV so Robo can find it when he's gonna be crawling towards the TV

* It seems like Dekker did everything Verhoeven tried hard not to. It seems like all the cheese Verhoeven struggled to avoid (and to everyone's suprise, very sucessfully did) Dekker brought in in this movie. From Lewis' long hairdo to Robo's robotic behavior and silly Inspector Gadget gadgets, now completed with...flying Robocop!

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Next chapter: Airbourne

* Old gramma shooting Uzi. Maybe, just maybe, a person can sucessfully use small handguns if he didnt have a training. But machine guns require training in both targeting and hadnling because they can easily misplace your shoulder or even break your arm. How come the gramma is so strong to keep Uzi in the proper position like Spec-Ops do, and firing like Rambo?

* As mentioned by Stan, Cops using shotguns...from the roof

* Its interesting that Rehabs didnt take all the weapons they found in Resistance's base and left the jetpack lying next to the self-turning-on TV so Robo can find it when he's gonna be crawling towards the TV

* It seems like Dekker did everything Verhoeven tried hard not to. It seems like all the cheese Verhoeven struggled to avoid (and to everyone's suprise, very sucessfully did) Dekker brought in in this movie. From Lewis' long hairdo to Robo's robotic behavior and silly Inspector Gadget gadgets, now completed with...flying Robocop!

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Next chapter: Airbourne

* Old gramma shooting Uzi. Maybe, just maybe, a person can sucessfully use small handguns if he didnt have a training. But machine guns require training in both targeting and hadnling because they can easily misplace your shoulder or even break your arm. How come the gramma is so strong to keep Uzi in the proper position like Spec-Ops do, and firing like Rambo?

* As mentioned by Stan, Cops using shotguns...from the roof

* Its interesting that Rehabs didnt take all the weapons they found in Resistance's base and left the jetpack lying next to the self-turning-on TV so Robo can find it when he's gonna be crawling towards the TV

* It seems like Dekker did everything Verhoeven tried hard not to. It seems like all the cheese Verhoeven struggled to avoid (and to everyone's suprise, very sucessfully did) Dekker brought in in this movie. From Lewis' long hairdo to Robo's robotic behavior and silly Inspector Gadget gadgets, now completed with...flying Robocop!

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Ok, lets finish it off

Next chapter: Reverse Circuitry

* How come Niko and Marie know Robo's in trouble? First of all, how do they know that he's in the building? And how the hell do they know in which room he is and where the room is located?

* So Niko can reprogram super advanced Japanese androids in 20 seconds without even touching them, remotedly? Whaaa?

* Whats the point of the selfdestructive device? Wait, so if the two robots will get destroyed, a huge bomb explodes? Why? I mean, whats the purpose of this?

* Why is Mcdagget crawling towards the bomb? It seems like hes trying to turn it off, but why didnt he do so in the first place? Didnt he just said theres no turning it off and that theyre all dead?

* Niko would easily have been burned by RoboCop's flight pack when she was hanging off it at the end. It isn't that big and Niko's legs would easily have gone down and past the flame holes.

* It seems strange that RoboCop carries Marie out of the building in his arms, and lets Niko, a little girl, hang onto the back of him. When he is flying, it would have took an awful amount of strength to hang onto him, when he is travelling so fast and high in the air.

Yeah, and I still cant get used to this image in a RoboCop movie



All its missing is Nikko screaming "To The Second Star On The Right! Neverland!"
Something like this scene would be just unthinkable in the first two movies

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Ok, lets finish it off

Next chapter: Reverse Circuitry

* How come Niko and Marie know Robo's in trouble? First of all, how do they know that he's in the building? And how the hell do they know in which room he is and where the room is located?

* So Niko can reprogram super advanced Japanese androids in 20 seconds without even touching them, remotedly? Whaaa?

* Whats the point of the selfdestructive device? Wait, so if the two robots will get destroyed, a huge bomb explodes? Why? I mean, whats the purpose of this?

* Why is Mcdagget crawling towards the bomb? It seems like hes trying to turn it off, but why didnt he do so in the first place? Didnt he just said theres no turning it off and that theyre all dead?

* Niko would easily have been burned by RoboCop's flight pack when she was hanging off it at the end. It isn't that big and Niko's legs would easily have gone down and past the flame holes.

* It seems strange that RoboCop carries Marie out of the building in his arms, and lets Niko, a little girl, hang onto the back of him. When he is flying, it would have took an awful amount of strength to hang onto him, when he is travelling so fast and high in the air.

Yeah, and I still cant get used to this image in a RoboCop movie



All its missing is Nikko screaming "To The Second Star On The Right! Neverland!"
Something like this scene would be just unthinkable in the first two movies

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Ok, lets finish it off

Next chapter: Reverse Circuitry

* How come Niko and Marie know Robo's in trouble? First of all, how do they know that he's in the building? And how the hell do they know in which room he is and where the room is located?

* So Niko can reprogram super advanced Japanese androids in 20 seconds without even touching them, remotedly? Whaaa?

* Whats the point of the selfdestructive device? Wait, so if the two robots will get destroyed, a huge bomb explodes? Why? I mean, whats the purpose of this?

* Why is Mcdagget crawling towards the bomb? It seems like hes trying to turn it off, but why didnt he do so in the first place? Didnt he just said theres no turning it off and that theyre all dead?

* Niko would easily have been burned by RoboCop's flight pack when she was hanging off it at the end. It isn't that big and Niko's legs would easily have gone down and past the flame holes.

* It seems strange that RoboCop carries Marie out of the building in his arms, and lets Niko, a little girl, hang onto the back of him. When he is flying, it would have took an awful amount of strength to hang onto him, when he is travelling so fast and high in the air.

Yeah, and I still cant get used to this image in a RoboCop movie



All its missing is Nikko screaming "To The Second Star On The Right! Neverland!"
Something like this scene would be just unthinkable in the first two movies

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Ok, lets finish it off

Next chapter: Reverse Circuitry

* How come Niko and Marie know Robo's in trouble? First of all, how do they know that he's in the building? And how the hell do they know in which room he is and where the room is located?

* So Niko can reprogram super advanced Japanese androids in 20 seconds without even touching them, remotedly? Whaaa?

* Whats the point of the selfdestructive device? Wait, so if the two robots will get destroyed, a huge bomb explodes? Why? I mean, whats the purpose of this?

* Why is Mcdagget crawling towards the bomb? It seems like hes trying to turn it off, but why didnt he do so in the first place? Didnt he just said theres no turning it off and that theyre all dead?

* Niko would easily have been burned by RoboCop's flight pack when she was hanging off it at the end. It isn't that big and Niko's legs would easily have gone down and past the flame holes.

* It seems strange that RoboCop carries Marie out of the building in his arms, and lets Niko, a little girl, hang onto the back of him. When he is flying, it would have took an awful amount of strength to hang onto him, when he is travelling so fast and high in the air.

Yeah, and I still cant get used to this image in a RoboCop movie



All its missing is Nikko screaming "To The Second Star On The Right! Neverland!"
Something like this scene would be just unthinkable in the first two movies