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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:10 am Reply with quote

And the last one: Respect and Honor

* Its interesting that Robo managed to fix his visor for the final scene of the movie

* ending is just a dumb and shameless attempt to mirror the original ending. Pointless, contrived and forced. Robo is right tho - call him Robocop, cause it sure aint Murphy.

R3 is an extremely flawed movie storywise, but its excuse is that its basically a cartoon but shot as live action movie. Cartoons dont make sense, everything is conveniently placed where its needed, plot movies without any basis on logic or reasonins and things happen just because. But the kiddie structure is not all. All the motifs and themes of the first two movies, the dark side of reality, the race for power in big corporations and a man trapped inside a machine are all gone. And so is the Murphy character and all the seriousness when we get flying robocop and ninjas.

To sum it up, here are some quotes about R3 that I posted in different threads:

"it feels like something being made because someone sees a successful format, rather than something they want to say" - avrev.com

The transformation from ultra-violent gorefest to a kiddie flick (forgot the source)

DVDVERDICT.COM

"Robocop 3 finally lets the series down. It's more than just bad in terms of the franchise (like, say, Alien: Resurrection—not a bad movie, just a disappointing Alien movie)—it's a bad film all around.

The fundamental problem with Robocop 3 is that, even beyond its PG-13 rating, it has been made specifically for young boys—it's Robocop for kids. Everything has been dialed down to the lowest common denominator, which would help explain the repeated moments of melodrama (every time a "good" character dies, he or she gets an impassioned closing line set to sad/swelling music), overblown sentiment (a Curly Sue-esque young orphan girl plays far too large a role in the proceedings), and cheap humor—who knew Robocop had been programmed to rattle off so many awful one-liners?

The film feels terribly flat—on screen is non-stop spectacle, and yet there's no connection to any of it. That may be because Robocop 3 has no real story to tell, just a series of action beats, once again designed to elicit gasps of "Cooooool!" from 13-year old boys. It's a major departure from the slyness and sophistication of the first two films."


DVD.NET describes it in a pill

"A slap in the face to anybody who enjoyed the intelligent, multi-layered nuances of its predecessors, the three-quel was an abominable dumbing-down of the series. It strived to make the tragic Frankenstein-like hero into a kiddie-friendly merchandise mover. It failed, both on this and every other level."

CINEMABLAND.COM was less subtle in its description

"Robocop 3 is about as enjoyable as having a living, leprosy infected rat sown into your body and then feeling it as it slowly eats its way out of you, gradually bursting through your spine.

Unlike Verhonven and Kershner who had precision instincts with action, Fred Decker has nothing, and I do mean nothing."


DVDTown.com described R3's score as "not just forgettable but downright annoying"

AgonyBooth site: "Anything RoboCop that doesnt involve Peter Weller is crap"

DVDActive.com

This is, without a doubt, the weakest of the three movies. Gone is the black humour and tongue in cheek ultra-violence of the first two films, only to be replaced by a sanitised version of our favourite crime fighting cyborg. It’s also fairly obvious that there is a different guy in the Robo suit, and he’s not up to the standard that Peter Weller set. The problem with this instalment is that it tries to pander to a younger audience, which isn’t what RoboCop is about.

RoboCop is also too easily defeated in this film. The RoboCop of the first two movies would have made short work of the various villains in this instalment, but our Robo gets his butt kicked with alarming regularity. The dialogue is also poorly written, and some of the actors deliver inadequate performances. Overall this is a severe letdown, but one that you should at watch at least once, if only so as to appreciate the other two films more.


whatdvd.net

It’s shot like a TV show, written like a TV show and has Robocop befriending refugees, fighting a Japanese ninja robot and flying. The less said about this the better.

DVDfile.com

Gone is the pathos of the RoboCop character. Gone is the satirical edge that examined some of the extreme idiosyncrasies of American society. We're left with a rather toothless action adventure yarn that occupies RoboCop without having to give a thought to further character development. This is the weakest of the films and the last.

IGN

the plot is awful and takes all focus away from Murphy and his identity struggle, instead stringing together action sequence after action sequence.

moviefreak.com

Robocop 3 just never worked. In an attempt to be more of a comic book movie, the film ends up just being silly. By this point, the OCP Corporation has become a boring villain and the fascism that was introduced in the first sequel is far too over the top. Toning down the violence to make the film accessible to a wider audience may have been the film’s undoing. Also, the inclusion of the “add a kid” character Nikko is unnecessary. Nikko is in no way adorable or clever, despite an okay performance by Remy Ryan. Robert John Burke is okay as Robocop, but the script is so bad that he never has a chance to make anything of his role.




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Great topic and a very funny and interesting read. Smile

A lot of stuff i never really thought about and it really brings Robo3 into a whole new dimension of stupid.




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* Whats the point of the selfdestructive device? Wait, so if the two robots will get destroyed, a huge bomb explodes? Why? I mean, whats the purpose of this?


It was just as stated, a 'fail-safe' - In the case that Robo (or anyone else) defeated these particular Otomos, the thermal bomb would still, with good probability, be able to take out whoever defeated them. So even if they 'failed', the bomb acts as last ditch effort to counter-attack and destroy an adversary. An ace-up-the-sleeve, as it were.

Think about the Predator and its self-destruct device and you get a better idea of the point of it.

Plus I think the droids were meant to take on RoboCop by themselves, without anyone around - Like how the first Otomo attacked Robo at the abandoned rebel hideout - so as to minimize/eliminate additional casualties. That wasn't entirely the case here, though.

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* Why is Mcdagget crawling towards the bomb? It seems like hes trying to turn it off, but why didnt he do so in the first place? Didnt he just said theres no turning it off and that theyre all dead?


No one ever says the explosion isn't really cancel-able. McDagget just says there ain't time to get away from it (Or at least, that was the context, if he didn't say that in so many words). I don't think that device he was crawling to was the bomb, but merely a control device - The actual Otomo droids themselves having the bomb(s) in them. In that regard, I would think McDagget was crawling towards the device to try and deactivate it. Pointlessly, stupidly, and in-vain of course, but still.

Of course, it's really just a device (though a bit of a weak one in this case) to have the bad guy go out struggling and fighting as we often see in action movies. That's all.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:37 pm Reply with quote

Well, even though I'm emotionally attached to R3, I must admit that it's a pretty stereotyped movie for kids, kinda silly in most parts, and KGW really portrayed it all well in this thread.



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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:41 pm Reply with quote

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Well, even though I'm emotionally attached to R3, I must admit that it's a pretty stereotyped movie for kids, kinda silly in most parts, and KGW really portrayed it all well in this thread.


You know, I like some flawed movies too. For example, I absolutely love 1989's Batman even though its loaded with flaws. But I still like it.




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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:49 pm Reply with quote

Yep. I guess it's just that when we grow up we look for more depth in movies we watch, unlike when we were younger. Smile I like your summaries because you put all the flaws in words, KGW, but even though one can rationally dislike something, the emotional side always have another response. Wink R3 has been my only "link" to the first two movies for years, so it has a special meaning to me personally.

And I'm a big fan of the '80s movies too, flawled or not. ^_^




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* Whats the point of the selfdestructive device? Wait, so if the two robots will get destroyed, a huge bomb explodes? Why? I mean, whats the purpose of this?


It was just as stated, a 'fail-safe' - In the case that Robo (or anyone else) defeated these particular Otomos, the thermal bomb would still, with good probability, be able to take out whoever defeated them. So even if they 'failed', the bomb acts as last ditch effort to counter-attack and destroy an adversary. An ace-up-the-sleeve, as it were. .


Im not sure if this is it. Kanemitsu asked McDagget if he has the device he send HIM, and mcdaget said it hasnt come to that yet. It jst doesnt make sense in this situation. People need to be moved so the construction of the investors can start. Robocop is iin their way supposedly so they sent 3 droids to destroy him. Only one follows him the first time tho, which is confusing in itself. So why would they nuke part of the city in case if they get destroyed with everyone around?


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* Why is Mcdagget crawling towards the bomb? It seems like hes trying to turn it off, but why didnt he do so in the first place? Didnt he just said theres no turning it off and that theyre all dead?


No one ever says the explosion isn't really cancel-able. McDagget just says there ain't time to get away from it (Or at least, that was the context, if he didn't say that in so many words). I don't think that device he was crawling to was the bomb, but merely a control device - The actual Otomo droids themselves having the bomb(s) in them. In that regard, I would think McDagget was crawling towards the device to try and deactivate it. Pointlessly, stupidly, and in-vain of course, but still.

Of course, it's really just a device (though a bit of a weak one in this case) to have the bad guy go out struggling and fighting as we often see in action movies. That's all


Im not sure about that either. Mcdaggets pissed and says to Marie that the stupid slag activated the bomb and theyll all die. Seems like its irreversible, yet then it looks like it is because hes trying to reach it, contrary to his behavior and dialogue




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And I'm a big fan of the '80s movies too, flawled or not. ^_^


Same with me. Most of the 80s movies seem silly now but I still like em a lot




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Im not sure if this is it. Kanemitsu asked McDagget if he has the device he send HIM, and mcdaget said it hasnt come to that yet. It jst doesnt make sense in this situation. People need to be moved so the construction of the investors can start. Robocop is iin their way supposedly so they sent 3 droids to destroy him. Only one follows him the first time tho, which is confusing in itself. So why would they nuke part of the city in case if they get destroyed with everyone around?


I think the thermal device(s) we're meant to be a absolute 'last-resort', hence why McDagget says 'It hasn't come to that yet, and it won't.'

As for 'nuking everyone', that seems to a be concern that apparently isn't regarded at all in the movie. All I can say is, again, it was obviously intended to be used in as isolated an area as possible, and again, as a last-resort. Remember, most of Cadillac Heights was already cleared out, all the bomb would do is destroy some of it, which they were doing anyway. Only thing I can put it down as (and only in a massive over-simplification) is that it goes to not caring about the welfare of the city, which we're already aware of anyway.

Yeah, it's stupid, but what isn't in this film? tongue

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Im not sure about that either. Mcdaggets pissed and says to Marie that the stupid slag activated the bomb and theyll all die. Seems like its irreversible, yet then it looks like it is because hes trying to reach it, contrary to his behavior and dialogue


Well, if it can be disabled, I would think it takes longer than 15 seconds to do so, hence why he's basically saying they're fucked. As for him trying to do so anyway, again, I just chalk that up to a weak-sauce attempt at making another ending where 'the bad guy goes down fighting'. Again, stupid, but what's new? :roll:

Anyway, I agree, 80s action films have always had that special something to them. Even chees-o-rama movies like Commando I still enjoy quite a bit.

'89 Batman is just fine. But that's another thing. tongue

In closing, good job on this KGW, though I have to say I personally started to get a bit annoyed when you droned on with the reviews. In any case I think you've made your point plenty, and I like the 'commentary'. Good job.
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In closing, good job on this KGW, though I have to say I personally started to get a bit annoyed when you droned on with the reviews. In any case I think you've made your point plenty, and I like the 'commentary'. Good job.


Thanks. As for the reviews, I wanted to close the thread somehow and I thought the reviewers worded it all better than I would, so there they are. Anyway, if I missed something, I hope someone will chim in




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Hate to be the one to dig up old shit. But you know me, I don't unless I have something GOOD to say...

Last night, while being bored off my ass, I watched R3 on youtube. Yes, someone posted the entire movie (in 12 parts) on youtube. (Same guy also posted a HD version of R2, BTW, these are perfect for the PSP owner that has a youtube rip program and a video converter. I did, and can watch R2 on my PSP anytime I want without a disc. Pretty Sweet deal.)

Anyways, I'm sitting there watching this abomination. And slowly, it hits me. R3 could have been a much different movie with a few changes.

For instance, here's how I could take the same plot and make a better movie out of it. With just a few simple changes. Bare with me, this is gonna get good.

-During the scene where Robo and Lewis are entering the Church to search for the squatters, there was a certain visual (mixed with Robert's performance) that struck me with an idea.
What if...we took Robo (from the very beginning of the movie) and had turned him into a Rehab Officer? Meaning his mind was already wipped, and he was reprogrammed to search all the "suspected Rebel Locations" and eliminate them without a second thought. Women, Men, and children fall before a reprogrammed Robo. Just another way that OCP would do whatever it took to clear Old Detroit for demolition.

It's another idea of Man vs Machine vs Evil Corporate Greed. One of the themes of the Original we all love so much.

This version of (I guess at this point it'd be) MY RoboCop 3 would pretty much be like this...

-RoboCop would no longer be in the Police station, he'd be kept under close watch at the OCP tower.

-Lewis would be alive (but she'd still have to die, sorry) and working with a new partner.

-RoboCop would be just a killing tool used by the Rehabs and OCP to clear Old Detroit and Specifically Cadillac Heights.

-Eventually, Both RoboCop and Lewis would run into each other at the church scene (after Robo had dispatched the squatters and covered in their blood). But Murphy is gone, and doesn't remember her the way he did.

(I expect shouts of outrage)

-Lewis tries to reason with him. Seeing that doesn't work, she goes after a weak spot (this is assuming that in the past, Robo came up with a plan to shut him down should OCP do something that would put alot of people in danger. Such exposition could be explained in a flashback). RoboCop kills her before the procedure took complete effect. But it's not in vain. Just as she's dying, Murphy sparks back to consciousness and sees Lewis bloodied and gasping for breath. He rips of his helmet (And I mean RIPS it off, the Chinguard shredding into pieces), and goes to her.

Then the scene pretty much plays out like normal. "Get them (this time meaning OCP) for me, Promise me."

-McDagget, still being in this movie (except with less "Chum's" and stupid shit).

-No stupid fucking Ninja's

-The Nuetron Bomb that McDagget had is now attached to RoboCop's Self-Destruct. Thus the briefcase making a central plot piece. McDagget would have the switch and could dispatch RoboCop at any time. But doesn't, because OCP has further use for him, and tries to salvage the RoboCop Program by recapturing him. The Self-Destruct in more of a fail-safe.

-So now, it's RoboCop vs the Rehabs.

-The Rebels are still part of the movie, just in a lesser form.

And the rest of the movie, pretty much plays out the same. Robo wins, OCP loses. And any loose ends can be tied up by saying, Dr Lazarus takes out the Nuetron Bomb and implants it into a pod that Murphy fires into the OCP building.

Either way, my idea is still better than the shit-fest that was RoboCop 3.




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I'm surprised I didn't comment on this earlier. And I'm almost surprised I'm commenting on this partially drunk. tongue But I gotta says, those are great re-dos on the movie, Sean. Very nice.

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-Lewis tries to reason with him. Seeing that doesn't work, she goes after a weak spot (this is assuming that in the past, Robo came up with a plan to shut him down should OCP do something that would put alot of people in danger. Such exposition could be explained in a flashback). RoboCop kills her before the procedure took complete effect. But it's not in vain. Just as she's dying, Murphy sparks back to consciousness and sees Lewis bloodied and gasping for breath. He rips of his helmet (And I mean RIPS it off, the Chinguard shredding into pieces), and goes to her.
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You know, though it could be construed as another one of those shameless R1 links/reuses, I think when Robo kills Lewis, he would have another flashback of both Murphy's death and 'Murphy, it's you.' and then would snap-back to being 'Murphy' as it were. Just a thought.

Otherwise, great stuff Sean. I very much like the concept of treating him more like a complete robot and 'product' initially and then having him return to being Murphy. Granted one could say it's kind of a re-use of the original's plot, but still I agree, it would probably work better than what we have now.

I still think my idea about a Corporate Wars-esque sequel and then Frank Miller's story for a third film would have done very well, but again, I like those ideas. Wink
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Well, first and foremost, the one and first thing that would need to be redone was Robo's personality. Throw that weird, unhuman stiff robot out and get the witty Murphy again



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You know what, I reread this thread for the first time since I wrote it and I have to pat myself on the back - it was a pretty entertaining read Laughing



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