RoboCop 3 fan commentary

[Archive]

Your probably right, i just think it would have been neat if they took even wider liberties with the movies and took it further. Like Terminator being almost a horror movie while T2 is a action piece. Expanded the style/world a little more.

But apparently it is a difficult thing to do. With all the movies, tv series and comic, most of them deal with the same issues and situations. making it a little stale. Perhaps that is why it is taking so long for a new Robo movie, it is a difficult character to invent and infuse NEW ideas to.

Perhaps Aronofsky was onto something there.

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Your probably right, i just think it would have been neat if they took even wider liberties with the movies and took it further. Like Terminator being almost a horror movie while T2 is a action piece. Expanded the style/world a little more.

But apparently it is a difficult thing to do. With all the movies, tv series and comic, most of them deal with the same issues and situations. making it a little stale. Perhaps that is why it is taking so long for a new Robo movie, it is a difficult character to invent and infuse NEW ideas to.

Perhaps Aronofsky was onto something there.

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Your probably right, i just think it would have been neat if they took even wider liberties with the movies and took it further. Like Terminator being almost a horror movie while T2 is a action piece. Expanded the style/world a little more.

But apparently it is a difficult thing to do. With all the movies, tv series and comic, most of them deal with the same issues and situations. making it a little stale. Perhaps that is why it is taking so long for a new Robo movie, it is a difficult character to invent and infuse NEW ideas to.

Perhaps Aronofsky was onto something there.

[KidGoesWild]

Hmm, I dont know, I think R2 IS that fresh sequel. Same kind of blueprint but new look and fresh feel. Unless you mean like almost a genre change like with T2 or Aliens, but it seems like only Cameron can do that successfully without doing a complete 180 and straying too far

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Hmm, I dont know, I think R2 IS that fresh sequel. Same kind of blueprint but new look and fresh feel. Unless you mean like almost a genre change like with T2 or Aliens, but it seems like only Cameron can do that successfully without doing a complete 180 and straying too far

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Hmm, I dont know, I think R2 IS that fresh sequel. Same kind of blueprint but new look and fresh feel. Unless you mean like almost a genre change like with T2 or Aliens, but it seems like only Cameron can do that successfully without doing a complete 180 and straying too far

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Hmm, I dont know, I think R2 IS that fresh sequel. Same kind of blueprint but new look and fresh feel. Unless you mean like almost a genre change like with T2 or Aliens, but it seems like only Cameron can do that successfully without doing a complete 180 and straying too far

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Yeah something like that. I think it would have been interesting to have a "aliens" kind of sequel to RoboCop, style wise. Aliens3 for that matter also reinvented the style, and although I'm not a fan of the movie i respect the decision to try something complete new.

The sad thing is that Robo2 COULD have been that "aliens" if only they had gotten more of the original script in there. All the character pieces with Lewis would have given her a reason to be there and the final battle with RoboCain VS two ED209's would have been a truly epic finale.

Now i still love Robo2, but one can't wonder what could have been, right?

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Yeah something like that. I think it would have been interesting to have a "aliens" kind of sequel to RoboCop, style wise. Aliens3 for that matter also reinvented the style, and although I'm not a fan of the movie i respect the decision to try something complete new.

The sad thing is that Robo2 COULD have been that "aliens" if only they had gotten more of the original script in there. All the character pieces with Lewis would have given her a reason to be there and the final battle with RoboCain VS two ED209's would have been a truly epic finale.

Now i still love Robo2, but one can't wonder what could have been, right?

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Yeah something like that. I think it would have been interesting to have a "aliens" kind of sequel to RoboCop, style wise. Aliens3 for that matter also reinvented the style, and although I'm not a fan of the movie i respect the decision to try something complete new.

The sad thing is that Robo2 COULD have been that "aliens" if only they had gotten more of the original script in there. All the character pieces with Lewis would have given her a reason to be there and the final battle with RoboCain VS two ED209's would have been a truly epic finale.

Now i still love Robo2, but one can't wonder what could have been, right?

[KidGoesWild]

Well, Im completely unfamiliar with the original script. However, as many can tell already, I am and always have been a huge fan of R2 ever since it came out so I really wouldnt want to change it.

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Well, Im completely unfamiliar with the original script. However, as many can tell already, I am and always have been a huge fan of R2 ever since it came out so I really wouldnt want to change it.

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Well, Im completely unfamiliar with the original script. However, as many can tell already, I am and always have been a huge fan of R2 ever since it came out so I really wouldnt want to change it.

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Well, Im completely unfamiliar with the original script. However, as many can tell already, I am and always have been a huge fan of R2 ever since it came out so I really wouldnt want to change it.

[Stan The Man]

Archive said it. Lewis' extra inclusion was one of the few positives of that muddled mess Miller started with, her character had a greater purpose there. I wish they had stuck with that somewhat. Of course they fudged the entire story in the first place and wanted more action in the film instead of character development and involvement so that's that.

I still don't see why they didn't have the ED vs RC fight, that would not have hurt anything. Bah.

I agree with Archive, part of R3s 'extra' link to the original was all the R1 carryovers, such as the gray suit, return of the Delta City subplot, etc. The blue suit, cheesy as it looks at times, was one of the nice 'new' departures R2 had from the original, among other things.

Keeping a balance of fresh and familiar in a sequel is always tricky - From a production standpoint, it's really mainly keeping a balance between making the film interesting and keeping it commercially viable. It's hard in any case. Oftentimes sequels stray to being too familiar, to keep their base audience happy and be a 'safer bet' in terms of profitability, whereas other sequels that try to be different usually try too hard and deviate too much - they are sometimes interesting and neat, but are too different and they alienate the base audience, as with the second Highlander, Alien3, etc.

I agree that RoboCop is a progressive story that shouldn't require very strong ties to the original. The 'Dirty Harry' films are being played on AMC this week, and I find them, like Indy series (and original Star Wars trilogy to an extent), to be good films that, outside of the main character and a handful of other related things, are still mostly independent of each other, in terms of each film's setting, plot, and so on. Said movies of course have similar themes/undertones, and of course characters, but each film's situation and environment was in some way different with each movie.

On T2, though the style is different, it worked fine mainly because it reused a winning formula - a great, if simplistic story with loads of awesome effects. The plot is almost exactly the same as the original, with mostly the same characters; it's basically a direct continuation. Aliens was a bit riskier on Cameron's part, but turned out quite well.

Corporate Wars, reworked, could have made a great 'independent' RoboCop sequel, but that was not to be. The RoboCop 2 we got still provided a good sequel that struck a decently nice balance between keeping the same stuff and having plenty of different things as well. It could have done maybe a bit better but not much, and it easily could have been much worse.

RoboCop 3 didn't have that same balance to it. Like most sequels, R3 relied on too much connection with the original film, relied on being 'too familiar' to help it be more commercial, among other things. Again, a mediocre line-of-thought that led to a mediocre film.
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Archive said it. Lewis' extra inclusion was one of the few positives of that muddled mess Miller started with, her character had a greater purpose there. I wish they had stuck with that somewhat. Of course they fudged the entire story in the first place and wanted more action in the film instead of character development and involvement so that's that.

I still don't see why they didn't have the ED vs RC fight, that would not have hurt anything. Bah.

I agree with Archive, part of R3s 'extra' link to the original was all the R1 carryovers, such as the gray suit, return of the Delta City subplot, etc. The blue suit, cheesy as it looks at times, was one of the nice 'new' departures R2 had from the original, among other things.

Keeping a balance of fresh and familiar in a sequel is always tricky - From a production standpoint, it's really mainly keeping a balance between making the film interesting and keeping it commercially viable. It's hard in any case. Oftentimes sequels stray to being too familiar, to keep their base audience happy and be a 'safer bet' in terms of profitability, whereas other sequels that try to be different usually try too hard and deviate too much - they are sometimes interesting and neat, but are too different and they alienate the base audience, as with the second Highlander, Alien3, etc.

I agree that RoboCop is a progressive story that shouldn't require very strong ties to the original. The 'Dirty Harry' films are being played on AMC this week, and I find them, like Indy series (and original Star Wars trilogy to an extent), to be good films that, outside of the main character and a handful of other related things, are still mostly independent of each other, in terms of each film's setting, plot, and so on. Said movies of course have similar themes/undertones, and of course characters, but each film's situation and environment was in some way different with each movie.

On T2, though the style is different, it worked fine mainly because it reused a winning formula - a great, if simplistic story with loads of awesome effects. The plot is almost exactly the same as the original, with mostly the same characters; it's basically a direct continuation. Aliens was a bit riskier on Cameron's part, but turned out quite well.

Corporate Wars, reworked, could have made a great 'independent' RoboCop sequel, but that was not to be. The RoboCop 2 we got still provided a good sequel that struck a decently nice balance between keeping the same stuff and having plenty of different things as well. It could have done maybe a bit better but not much, and it easily could have been much worse.

RoboCop 3 didn't have that same balance to it. Like most sequels, R3 relied on too much connection with the original film, relied on being 'too familiar' to help it be more commercial, among other things. Again, a mediocre line-of-thought that led to a mediocre film.
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Archive said it. Lewis' extra inclusion was one of the few positives of that muddled mess Miller started with, her character had a greater purpose there. I wish they had stuck with that somewhat. Of course they fudged the entire story in the first place and wanted more action in the film instead of character development and involvement so that's that.

I still don't see why they didn't have the ED vs RC fight, that would not have hurt anything. Bah.

I agree with Archive, part of R3s 'extra' link to the original was all the R1 carryovers, such as the gray suit, return of the Delta City subplot, etc. The blue suit, cheesy as it looks at times, was one of the nice 'new' departures R2 had from the original, among other things.

Keeping a balance of fresh and familiar in a sequel is always tricky - From a production standpoint, it's really mainly keeping a balance between making the film interesting and keeping it commercially viable. It's hard in any case. Oftentimes sequels stray to being too familiar, to keep their base audience happy and be a 'safer bet' in terms of profitability, whereas other sequels that try to be different usually try too hard and deviate too much - they are sometimes interesting and neat, but are too different and they alienate the base audience, as with the second Highlander, Alien3, etc.

I agree that RoboCop is a progressive story that shouldn't require very strong ties to the original. The 'Dirty Harry' films are being played on AMC this week, and I find them, like Indy series (and original Star Wars trilogy to an extent), to be good films that, outside of the main character and a handful of other related things, are still mostly independent of each other, in terms of each film's setting, plot, and so on. Said movies of course have similar themes/undertones, and of course characters, but each film's situation and environment was in some way different with each movie.

On T2, though the style is different, it worked fine mainly because it reused a winning formula - a great, if simplistic story with loads of awesome effects. The plot is almost exactly the same as the original, with mostly the same characters; it's basically a direct continuation. Aliens was a bit riskier on Cameron's part, but turned out quite well.

Corporate Wars, reworked, could have made a great 'independent' RoboCop sequel, but that was not to be. The RoboCop 2 we got still provided a good sequel that struck a decently nice balance between keeping the same stuff and having plenty of different things as well. It could have done maybe a bit better but not much, and it easily could have been much worse.

RoboCop 3 didn't have that same balance to it. Like most sequels, R3 relied on too much connection with the original film, relied on being 'too familiar' to help it be more commercial, among other things. Again, a mediocre line-of-thought that led to a mediocre film.
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Archive said it. Lewis' extra inclusion was one of the few positives of that muddled mess Miller started with, her character had a greater purpose there. I wish they had stuck with that somewhat. Of course they fudged the entire story in the first place and wanted more action in the film instead of character development and involvement so that's that.

I still don't see why they didn't have the ED vs RC fight, that would not have hurt anything. Bah.

I agree with Archive, part of R3s 'extra' link to the original was all the R1 carryovers, such as the gray suit, return of the Delta City subplot, etc. The blue suit, cheesy as it looks at times, was one of the nice 'new' departures R2 had from the original, among other things.

Keeping a balance of fresh and familiar in a sequel is always tricky - From a production standpoint, it's really mainly keeping a balance between making the film interesting and keeping it commercially viable. It's hard in any case. Oftentimes sequels stray to being too familiar, to keep their base audience happy and be a 'safer bet' in terms of profitability, whereas other sequels that try to be different usually try too hard and deviate too much - they are sometimes interesting and neat, but are too different and they alienate the base audience, as with the second Highlander, Alien3, etc.

I agree that RoboCop is a progressive story that shouldn't require very strong ties to the original. The 'Dirty Harry' films are being played on AMC this week, and I find them, like Indy series (and original Star Wars trilogy to an extent), to be good films that, outside of the main character and a handful of other related things, are still mostly independent of each other, in terms of each film's setting, plot, and so on. Said movies of course have similar themes/undertones, and of course characters, but each film's situation and environment was in some way different with each movie.

On T2, though the style is different, it worked fine mainly because it reused a winning formula - a great, if simplistic story with loads of awesome effects. The plot is almost exactly the same as the original, with mostly the same characters; it's basically a direct continuation. Aliens was a bit riskier on Cameron's part, but turned out quite well.

Corporate Wars, reworked, could have made a great 'independent' RoboCop sequel, but that was not to be. The RoboCop 2 we got still provided a good sequel that struck a decently nice balance between keeping the same stuff and having plenty of different things as well. It could have done maybe a bit better but not much, and it easily could have been much worse.

RoboCop 3 didn't have that same balance to it. Like most sequels, R3 relied on too much connection with the original film, relied on being 'too familiar' to help it be more commercial, among other things. Again, a mediocre line-of-thought that led to a mediocre film.
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[Stan The Man]

^ Well, that's what I was alluding to when I said, 'Not a RoboCop movie, but a movie with RoboCop in it', but yeah, you got it.

I think the ED vs RC fight would have just been a great mindless bit of action and destruction to view for a minute - It wouldn't have had any substance to add really but it certainly wouldn't have taken anything away from the film either. Hell, why not?
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^ Well, that's what I was alluding to when I said, 'Not a RoboCop movie, but a movie with RoboCop in it', but yeah, you got it.

I think the ED vs RC fight would have just been a great mindless bit of action and destruction to view for a minute - It wouldn't have had any substance to add really but it certainly wouldn't have taken anything away from the film either. Hell, why not?
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^ Well, that's what I was alluding to when I said, 'Not a RoboCop movie, but a movie with RoboCop in it', but yeah, you got it.

I think the ED vs RC fight would have just been a great mindless bit of action and destruction to view for a minute - It wouldn't have had any substance to add really but it certainly wouldn't have taken anything away from the film either. Hell, why not?
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^ Well, that's what I was alluding to when I said, 'Not a RoboCop movie, but a movie with RoboCop in it', but yeah, you got it.

I think the ED vs RC fight would have just been a great mindless bit of action and destruction to view for a minute - It wouldn't have had any substance to add really but it certainly wouldn't have taken anything away from the film either. Hell, why not?
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[KidGoesWild]

I put everything in one post in a blog I just started - http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/2010/12/robocop-3-faults-scene-by-scene.html Added screenshots and funny captions too. Since same arguments and conversations pop out once in a while I decided Ill put some of the stuff I wrote here in this blog so then I can just refer someone to the url instead of repeating the long answer

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I put everything in one post in a blog I just started - http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/2010/12/robocop-3-faults-scene-by-scene.html Added screenshots and funny captions too. Since same arguments and conversations pop out once in a while I decided Ill put some of the stuff I wrote here in this blog so then I can just refer someone to the url instead of repeating the long answer

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I put everything in one post in a blog I just started - http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/2010/12/robocop-3-faults-scene-by-scene.html Added screenshots and funny captions too. Since same arguments and conversations pop out once in a while I decided Ill put some of the stuff I wrote here in this blog so then I can just refer someone to the url instead of repeating the long answer

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I put everything in one post in a blog I just started - http://robocopmovies.blogspot.com/2010/12/robocop-3-faults-scene-by-scene.html Added screenshots and funny captions too. Since same arguments and conversations pop out once in a while I decided Ill put some of the stuff I wrote here in this blog so then I can just refer someone to the url instead of repeating the long answer