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robohell
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Comment: Murphy had a wife and son....what happend to them?
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Yeah i'm with Demise on Dick long arms falling in the end, it always looked silly to me.
One other thing i didn't like about Robo 1, call me a nerd but i thought when he rescued the rape victim and she came up to hug him and thank him she's able to move him around and push his arms down.
i just don't think a woman would be able to do that to a 500 pound cyborg.
Another thing that bugged me in that scene is when he tilts his head to "notify a rape crisis center" there is no sound effect....but i guess watching it 1,000 times you notice all the little stuff.
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DoktorNo
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Comment: In XX Century people had nuts, now they don't have spines.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:13 pm |
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Well...
1.) Stop-motion. It was standard F/X at that time, but unfortunately, it aged horribly...
2.)Piggy squeal of ED-209. C'mon, organic sound F/X doesn't make sense for a ROBOT.
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Philip17
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:20 pm |
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One thing that bugged me out, is when robo is on his first night on patrol and parks his car at city hall.
When the Lieutenant speaks with robo, he sais "Where the hell you think you're going?" and the anser is "keep him talking."
Why do I think this is strange? Because that would NOT be what I would say if I saw a robot walking out of a police car.
Did he knew about robocop existance? We never saw him in the police station, we only saw him on that police situation.  
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Deus Ex Robo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:16 pm |
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| robohell : | One other thing i didn't like about Robo 1, call me a nerd but i thought when he rescued the rape victim and she came up to hug him and thank him she's able to move him around and push his arms down.
i just don't think a woman would be able to do that to a 500 pound cyborg. |
On the same note, I can never not notice when Robo starts shooting up the blow factory and there is a shot of him stepping on a coke vial. Yeah he smashes it, but as it was said before, I think a "500 Pound Cyborg" would pound that thing into dust. Not just break it slightly. To me it totally looks like a movie prop/costume foot breaking prop-sugar glass. But alas, nitpicking never solves anything.
| DoktorNo : | | 1.) Stop-motion. It was standard F/X at that time, but unfortunately, it aged horribly... |
Are you shitting me? The stop motion scenes hold up beautifully! I wont say perfectly, but those are an achievement not broken in a live action film since RoboCop 2.
What would you have preferred them to use if they were to be redone? CGI? Man am I tired of hearing (and seeing) that word. The fact that it's stop motion is the reason it's held up so well over time. It's an actual physical object that looks more like it exists in frame than any CGI will be for quite some time.
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DoktorNo
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Comment: In XX Century people had nuts, now they don't have spines.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:42 am |
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| Deus Ex Robo : | | The fact that it's stop motion is the reason it's held up so well over time. It's an actual physical object that looks more like it exists in frame than any CGI will be for quite some time. |
I know, that nowadays, when Hollywood is overusing and mis-using CGI it is fashionable to bash it, but let's face it: CGI was developed because stop-motion was not good enough. The problem with CGI is, that it must be damn well done - and it costs lots of bucks and labor.
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Deus Ex Robo
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Comment: Is my new life a reward for the one I led?
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| DoktorNo : | | I know, that nowadays, when Hollywood is overusing and mis-using CGI it is fashionable to bash it, but let's face it: CGI was developed because stop-motion was not good enough. |
No, it was created as a cheaper more cost effective method to reproduce a practical special effect. Rather than film a scene, hire a Stop-Mo animator (amongst other post production crew members), rent/buy another camera & film stock, project your on set footage, and waste countless hours animating robo puppets, you get a computer and in theory, have one guy do all the work in a virtual world where possibilities are endless and nothing is permanent and can be redone again and again.
No physical labor involved and, depending on the extent to which it's used, is cheaper compared to the overall picture of man power, money, and time. This being in regards to movies that are not "almost completely CGI".
| DoktorNo : | | The problem with CGI is, that it must be damn well done |
Same thing can be said for Stop motion as well.
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DoktorNo
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Comment: In XX Century people had nuts, now they don't have spines.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:25 pm |
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By yourself you made a perfect case for CGI: it's cheaper, and not bound to physical limitations of stop-motion. You can dedicate more money to design and research, instead of burning monies just for making the thing moving. And, just as you said, the posibilities of CGI are unlimited.
The problem with CGI is, that because of that lack of limits, it can give an excuses for lazy filmmakers. And experiences from stop-motion are priceless, because they give you knowledge how to make things looking belivable - as it was in the case of digital composing, the best people in industry are those ones who had some experience with older techniques, because they knew about perspective etc.
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SiR-ROUND
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Comment: Oh my god! They killed Kinney!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:37 pm |
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Stop trashing the best movie ever!
WHERE'S MY BAN STICK?!?
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ChrisJM
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The scene where he's on his first call to the grocery store. He bends the guys gun with one hand. That would mean the guy holding the gun would have to have been stronger than Robo to keep it in a vice like position as Robo bends it. I didn't understand that. He then takes the guy out with a clothesline as the guy runs past him, this would send his head backwards and his feet forwards but he ends up going head first into the fridge. i dont quite understand how. never the less... I like it this way, and would never change it.
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Primrose Lane
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Comment: Can you do that, dad?
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| SiR-ROUND : | Stop trashing the best movie ever!
WHERE'S MY BAN STICK?!? |
No "trashing" from me, my friend. It's just always interesting to hear what people didn't necessarily like, especially when they are perhaps the most passionate fans of the film.
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Duke Serkol
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| ChrisJM : | | The scene where he's on his first call to the grocery store. He bends the guys gun with one hand. That would mean the guy holding the gun would have to have been stronger than Robo to keep it in a vice like position as Robo bends it. I didn't understand that. He then takes the guy out with a clothesline as the guy runs past him, this would send his head backwards and his feet forwards but he ends up going head first into the fridge. i dont quite understand how. |
Woah, I can't believe that never occurred to me about the gun! You're right!
And yes, also the weird flying, I forgot to mention that.
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Deus Ex Robo
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Comment: Is my new life a reward for the one I led?
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Well, if he bent it fast enough?
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SiR-ROUND
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Comment: Oh my god! They killed Kinney!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:32 pm |
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You are all seeing movie mistakes...
If you really want to know the truth about bending the gun, you should contact Jamie and Adam.
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Johan
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It's a blooper yes, but that particular scene was of course done on purpose because it looked cool. I have a harder time to let obvious plot holes slide but bloopers rarely irritate me.
| Deus Ex Robo : | | Well, if he bent it fast enough? |
The gun would then be forced out of his hands. Compare it to you holding an ironpipe and someone trying to bend that while you hold it.
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