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Rick CH-L4
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Comment: I'm The No. 2 Guy Around Here
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:26 am |
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Exactly right, Trap, and you also get a PT for me for that. Amazing that the writers didn't think of making Vallon more than what we see, yet you did it in the space of 5 minutes! If there is a sequel, let's hope it gets much better writers! _________________
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Stebob1984 R-L1
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:06 pm |
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Archive : | Stebob1984 : | Again just my opinion I don't see how that makes my a hypster. |
That odd opinion, that is just your opinion, is what makes you a "RoboCop hipster". I would say almost everyone here loves RoboCain which is naturally too mainstream so you choose Vallon over him.
No one but a independent thinking RoboCop hipster would choose Vallon over ANYTHING.
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I'm nit some hip youngster whose a nee fan of Robocop, I'm nearly 30 years old and I first saw Robocop when I was 5 or 6, the sequels I saw whenever they got their VHS releases back on the day. Again I'm not a fan of Vallon or how he was portrayed but as I said I van't take Tom Noonan seriously and gave always felt that way. I also don't like that Robocain doesn't speak, which ED209 can do. All in all I was just never happy where the series went after that first movie and I thought the remake was a refreshing remake, I felt they tried to make it different enough so that it didn't seem like they were just doing a bad version if the original unlike other remakes (i.e. Total Recall). The remake was far from perfect but for me was the nest Robocop film since the first one, which as we all know is pretty untouchable.
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Sin_Valor No. 4 dumbass on the board
Joined: 17 Aug 2013
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Comment: Don't touch me man!
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:44 pm |
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That weird Brain Drain drug dealer from the Titus game was more villanous than Vallon. (I really want to go there again, but I did)
Anyways, I don't understand why everyone here keeps calling him 'Vallon'...all I see is David Spade failing to act intimidating. _________________
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BurnOne4Robo Sgt-L2
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:38 pm |
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After second and third viewings at home, I still enjoy the movie, though I still wish they would have grown some balls and went with an ultra violent R rating, because IMO the way Murphy is brutally killed in the original is a big part of the story. The generic car bombing and non-death of Murphy in the remake takes that aspect away, and makes you care less about Murphy. But as I said, I still enjoyed the second viewing, and found myself wanting to watch a third time. A few things I picked up on after multiple viewings:
- Vallon is not the villain. Maddox is the villain. I think the absence of a Boddicker type character really muddled the story. It takes a few viewings to realize Maddox is the real antagonist.
- When Murphy goes after Vallon, they claim he is "solving his own murder." He did not die, therefore was not murdered. Not sure if this was a leftover from a more violent earlier script where he actually gets murdered, or if the writers forgot mid-movie that they didn't actually kill Murphy.
- The whole human hand explanation is not only edited out of the movie, but in the scene where Robo first meets Maddox, he holds out his robotic LEFT hand to shake Maddox's hand, instead of the proper right hand (which happens to also be his human hand, left there for the sole purpose of fucking shaking hands...smh) Further proving that the whole premise of keeping the hand was an idiotic idea.
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vegasrobo RoboGod and Shit
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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Comment: Vegas Baby!!!
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:34 pm |
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I can't man I watched the bluray like I said 4th viewing,The movies shit there's really nothing to it no edge nothing,I find it interesting Robofans claiming not to have liked Cain other than Weller Cains the best thing about Robocop 2 and as for Robocain not speaking?..Man that would have took all eerie intimidaition factor away from the character..Sometimes I really wonder what movies you guy's are watching?.
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ROBOTCOP Sgt-L4
Joined: 24 Apr 2012
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Comment: joined back in 2002 . forgot password. rejoined
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:06 pm |
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I finally watched the movie, I said I wouldn't but I did, overall it just moved too fast , as previously mentioned it felt rushed, they could have done so much more with it, it had the potential to be a good movie but felt short, I did not even mind kinnaman as Murphy , It just felt short for me , the blue suit was about the best thing in the movie, the villains were really weak and easily forgettable ..
I really don't know what they were trying to achieve with this movie . Am not going to compare it to the original as it was very different from the original , which am glad about as I hate when they remake something with the exact same story line ... For me it could have went further in a shorter time but it didn't , I may try and watch it again , maybe I was expecting too much , maybe if I was from another planet and never seen a robocop movie at all I might have liked it , who knows.
It wasn't the worst movie I have seen , but I have to say its RoboCop and anything RoboCop gets my attention , I even love prime directives , am all about the suits and props ,,
Maybe a sequel might improve, we will see
Cheers
Alex _________________
"Dead or Alive you are Selling to Me "
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ROBOTCOP Sgt-L4
Joined: 24 Apr 2012
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Comment: joined back in 2002 . forgot password. rejoined
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:10 pm |
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And I agree how can you solve your own murder when you were not murdered
So solving a murder that never happened kind of f#cks things up for me
Cheers
Alex _________________
"Dead or Alive you are Selling to Me "
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Stan The Man Bah Concepts Division
Joined: 05 Jun 2003
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Comment: I'm the guy in Old Archive.
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:31 pm |
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I felt of a lot of the writing in the remakeboot seemed silly anyway - He doesn't use his 'real' hand to shake Maddox nor to fire the 'killing' gun, lets not even mnetion the silliness of having two guns when both are capable of killing and in one of the few real shootout sequences he uses another captured gun anyway.. They don't expound on other things that should have been expounded on, they flub little things like saying Murphy was murdered when he wasn't, and frankly, there is no real 'villain' in the film - Vallon, Maddox, even Sellars are all just there and just do bad shit, none are real villains to my mind.
Again, Vallon wasn't even there enough to judge how bad or good he was really. Even with that short time he could have been made into something, as Trap brilliantly put with numerous examples (The badge trophy idea I like the most, hints at both real serial criminal pathology as well as a nice nod to the original and the high cop-kill count Boddicker had). As Trap said even secondary bad guys had something about them in prior cop/action/crime films, here we ain't got shit. The guy just wasn't memorable in any way, and while Trap didn't care for Cain in either version, no denying either human or badass-cyborg-mech Cain wasn't memorable. Hell, RoboCAIN is probably the most memorable piece of R2. That said -
vegasrobo : | I find it interesting Robofans claiming not to have liked Cain other than Weller Cains the best thing about Robocop 2 and as for Robocain not speaking?..Man that would have took all eerie intimidaition factor away from the character..Sometimes I really wonder what movies you guy's are watching?. |
While I can (somewhat) see where those folks may be coming from, I'm with you, bro - I got get it either. There's plenty of fucked things in R2 that are hard to like and get past, Cain/RoboCAIN is just not one of them - You actually can like that quite easily. Bah. _________________ I don't wanna pay that, PhotoBucket. Now maybe you haven't heard, but I'm the guy in old Archive. So hows about you just shit snow for a year and I'll figure out something else. Sayonara!
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Yarbles Sgt-L3
Joined: 10 Feb 2002
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:37 pm |
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BurnOne4Robo : | - The whole human hand explanation is not only edited out of the movie, but in the scene where Robo first meets Maddox, he holds out his robotic LEFT hand to shake Maddox's hand, instead of the proper right hand (which happens to also be his human hand, left there for the sole purpose of fucking shaking hands...smh) Further proving that the whole premise of keeping the hand was an idiotic idea. |
The whole human hand thing is stupid and wasn't properly explained at all, however I felt like in the scene mentioned Murphy extends his robotic hand on purpose to intimidate Maddox. Maddox had just insulted him multiple times, and here was a way to say "watch it buddy, I can still crush that hand of yours"
Still, the human hand is a stupid idea.
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ChAnOoD DC-L4
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:00 pm |
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BurnOne4Robo : |
- The whole human hand explanation is not only edited out of the movie, but in the scene where Robo first meets Maddox, he holds out his robotic LEFT hand to shake Maddox's hand, instead of the proper right hand (which happens to also be his human hand, left there for the sole purpose of fucking shaking hands...smh) Further proving that the whole premise of keeping the hand was an idiotic idea. |
I thought it was a "joke". I mean, Maddox doesn´t like RoboCop, Murphy doesn´t Maddox, so he tries to "shake" his hand with the robotic one.
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BurnOne4Robo Sgt-L2
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:27 pm |
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ChAnOoD : | BurnOne4Robo : |
- The whole human hand explanation is not only edited out of the movie, but in the scene where Robo first meets Maddox, he holds out his robotic LEFT hand to shake Maddox's hand, instead of the proper right hand (which happens to also be his human hand, left there for the sole purpose of fucking shaking hands...smh) Further proving that the whole premise of keeping the hand was an idiotic idea. |
I thought it was a "joke". I mean, Maddox doesn´t like RoboCop, Murphy doesn´t Maddox, so he tries to "shake" his hand with the robotic one. |
Yea, I got that. It was just stupid. I know he was trying to intimidate Maddox...OK. But the point was that the entire premise of the human right hand was so he can shake hands, yet the one and only time in the film he even attempts to shake someone's hand, he used his left hand instead. I actually don't even think they thought that one through. I can imagine them filming and having an "oh shit" moment when they realize the scene doesn't work because his puny human right hand isn't intimidating, so the on the fly solution is "eh...make him shake with his left hand, nobody will notice..."
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ChAnOoD DC-L4
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:34 pm |
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What I find funny is that all those "original" themes, like the hand and stuff like that, was done on purpose because they wanted the film to be "existencialist" (in the extras one of the producers said something like that), because the "Verhoeven one" didn´t have that. It amazes me how all the crew said that they´re big fans of the original and then say something like that. I don´t consider myself the smartest guy in the planet, but even with a small brain I could see the Verhoeven film has those themes as well, but doesn´t put them as obvious as the reboot.
For example, the whole family plot in the original: you have it on flashbacks. And hell, it works better than having the wife crying in 3 or 4 scenes. For a "obscene" and graphic film like the 1987 one, it plays subtle on the emotional scenes, and makes a bigger impact on the viewer.
Also I like how they always mention "Iron Man" as something they tried to avoid, just to put rock music on scenes to look like a bastard sequel of the Tony Stark character.
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RoboHell RoboPops!
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
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Comment: Murphy had a wife and son....what happend to them?
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:03 pm |
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This movie is just one big mess. _________________
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RoboTrap OmniCon - A Silver Future
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
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Comment: RoboCop: The Future's Silver Lining
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:34 pm |
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I've said it before: the original is a smart movie that pretends to be dumb, the remake is a dumb movie convinced that it's smart.
The pretense of deeper meaning and emotional value that runs through the movie is infuriating because everything else in the film, from the narrative to the acting to the editing, is subservient to the idea that this is a "deep" film. And that simply isn't true. At best superficial fluff and at worst mind-numbingly overdone, the core conceit just doesn't work, whether through incompetence or misguidance. They could have suppressed those broken ideas and focused on action and humor, but instead of distracting the audience from the film's issues, they decided to shine a spotlight on them, in the hopes that hammering you over the head with them will blind you to the shortcomings.
It's a facade of intelligence and little more, the equivalent of a child waving his arms at you and screaming that he's got something important to say in an adult discussion, only to blankly recite Wikipedia articles should you dare pay attention.
I've seen episodes of Cheers that said deeper things. _________________
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