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[Maxlee]

What do you guys think of RoboCain's remote control? Yeah... it's a bit farfetched to bring it up, but maybe it's wonky leftovers from an early version of the script.

I mean, the remote is perfectly capable of disabling RoboCain's weaponry, yet when tasked to shut him down, Faxx stumbles clumsy and claims that she "can't".

What does she mean with "I can't" ? Does she mean she should be able to, but the remote is malfunctioning and thus fails to do so, or does she mean she simply can not, meaning shutting down RoboCain is not even an option of the remote.

I believe this is also somewhere asked on IMDB, saying "if it can do one thing, then why not the other?"

I believe in Frank Miller's RoboCop, a remote control for "RoboKong" plays a larger role in the story, didn't it control Kong's moodswings or something?

I can't remember if the remote is featured in the comic adaption of R2 at all.

This is a bit random, but hey, maybe our Robo-detectives can find something

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What do you guys think of RoboCain's remote control? Yeah... it's a bit farfetched to bring it up, but maybe it's wonky leftovers from an early version of the script.

I mean, the remote is perfectly capable of disabling RoboCain's weaponry, yet when tasked to shut him down, Faxx stumbles clumsy and claims that she "can't".

What does she mean with "I can't" ? Does she mean she should be able to, but the remote is malfunctioning and thus fails to do so, or does she mean she simply can not, meaning shutting down RoboCain is not even an option of the remote.

I believe this is also somewhere asked on IMDB, saying "if it can do one thing, then why not the other?"

I believe in Frank Miller's RoboCop, a remote control for "RoboKong" plays a larger role in the story, didn't it control Kong's moodswings or something?

I can't remember if the remote is featured in the comic adaption of R2 at all.

This is a bit random, but hey, maybe our Robo-detectives can find something

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What do you guys think of RoboCain's remote control? Yeah... it's a bit farfetched to bring it up, but maybe it's wonky leftovers from an early version of the script.

I mean, the remote is perfectly capable of disabling RoboCain's weaponry, yet when tasked to shut him down, Faxx stumbles clumsy and claims that she "can't".

What does she mean with "I can't" ? Does she mean she should be able to, but the remote is malfunctioning and thus fails to do so, or does she mean she simply can not, meaning shutting down RoboCain is not even an option of the remote.

I believe this is also somewhere asked on IMDB, saying "if it can do one thing, then why not the other?"

I believe in Frank Miller's RoboCop, a remote control for "RoboKong" plays a larger role in the story, didn't it control Kong's moodswings or something?

I can't remember if the remote is featured in the comic adaption of R2 at all.

This is a bit random, but hey, maybe our Robo-detectives can find something

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[artuditu]

It's a good point to raise, those kind of details we just take as granted but we usually never question

I think is what Archive says, Cain has more control over the machine than expected, as with Robo it's just the lesson to be learnt from the movies, nothing is simple when you mix human brain and machinery!

That the remote control can disarm him is not really a detail that bothers me, it just works to create tension and surprise (everybody is a bit nervous and tense but they still think everything is under control, until he starts shooting people and panic starts), it has its dramatic purpose. Instead of Cain just doing whatever he wants, there must be an action where he shows the power to free himself from OCP orders, and that was the remote control's purpose, it's more about narrative than anything else.

I also don't remember if the remote control plays any part in the comic adaptation.

I would be much more concerned though about why RoboCain never talks (I know it's not an obscure issue, since it has been brought up many times around here), all previous police robots (ED-209, Robo, Robo2 prototypes) showed how communication is vital, it would be impossible to perform his job without talking. Maybe RoboCain was still in a beta phase? It would also explain his look, he doesn't look as a finished and polished version of a final product, with all those visible hydraulic pistons and skeletal legs and arms look.

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It's a good point to raise, those kind of details we just take as granted but we usually never question

I think is what Archive says, Cain has more control over the machine than expected, as with Robo it's just the lesson to be learnt from the movies, nothing is simple when you mix human brain and machinery!

That the remote control can disarm him is not really a detail that bothers me, it just works to create tension and surprise (everybody is a bit nervous and tense but they still think everything is under control, until he starts shooting people and panic starts), it has its dramatic purpose. Instead of Cain just doing whatever he wants, there must be an action where he shows the power to free himself from OCP orders, and that was the remote control's purpose, it's more about narrative than anything else.

I also don't remember if the remote control plays any part in the comic adaptation.

I would be much more concerned though about why RoboCain never talks (I know it's not an obscure issue, since it has been brought up many times around here), all previous police robots (ED-209, Robo, Robo2 prototypes) showed how communication is vital, it would be impossible to perform his job without talking. Maybe RoboCain was still in a beta phase? It would also explain his look, he doesn't look as a finished and polished version of a final product, with all those visible hydraulic pistons and skeletal legs and arms look.

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It's a good point to raise, those kind of details we just take as granted but we usually never question

I think is what Archive says, Cain has more control over the machine than expected, as with Robo it's just the lesson to be learnt from the movies, nothing is simple when you mix human brain and machinery!

That the remote control can disarm him is not really a detail that bothers me, it just works to create tension and surprise (everybody is a bit nervous and tense but they still think everything is under control, until he starts shooting people and panic starts), it has its dramatic purpose. Instead of Cain just doing whatever he wants, there must be an action where he shows the power to free himself from OCP orders, and that was the remote control's purpose, it's more about narrative than anything else.

I also don't remember if the remote control plays any part in the comic adaptation.

I would be much more concerned though about why RoboCain never talks (I know it's not an obscure issue, since it has been brought up many times around here), all previous police robots (ED-209, Robo, Robo2 prototypes) showed how communication is vital, it would be impossible to perform his job without talking. Maybe RoboCain was still in a beta phase? It would also explain his look, he doesn't look as a finished and polished version of a final product, with all those visible hydraulic pistons and skeletal legs and arms look.

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It's a good point to raise, those kind of details we just take as granted but we usually never question

I think is what Archive says, Cain has more control over the machine than expected, as with Robo it's just the lesson to be learnt from the movies, nothing is simple when you mix human brain and machinery!

That the remote control can disarm him is not really a detail that bothers me, it just works to create tension and surprise (everybody is a bit nervous and tense but they still think everything is under control, until he starts shooting people and panic starts), it has its dramatic purpose. Instead of Cain just doing whatever he wants, there must be an action where he shows the power to free himself from OCP orders, and that was the remote control's purpose, it's more about narrative than anything else.

I also don't remember if the remote control plays any part in the comic adaptation.

I would be much more concerned though about why RoboCain never talks (I know it's not an obscure issue, since it has been brought up many times around here), all previous police robots (ED-209, Robo, Robo2 prototypes) showed how communication is vital, it would be impossible to perform his job without talking. Maybe RoboCain was still in a beta phase? It would also explain his look, he doesn't look as a finished and polished version of a final product, with all those visible hydraulic pistons and skeletal legs and arms look.

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The vial of Nuke the Old man was waving was too much, Cain's addiction made him dominate the machinery.
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The vial of Nuke the Old man was waving was too much, Cain's addiction made him dominate the machinery.
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The vial of Nuke the Old man was waving was too much, Cain's addiction made him dominate the machinery.
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[Edd 209]

Maybe Faxx just didn't program in an 'on/off' button and had the remote for every other operational function.
Her body language to the Old Man does suggest sarcastically "What, you think I can turn off the Robo monster with just this remote?"
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Maybe Faxx just didn't program in an 'on/off' button and had the remote for every other operational function.
Her body language to the Old Man does suggest sarcastically "What, you think I can turn off the Robo monster with just this remote?"
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Maybe Faxx just didn't program in an 'on/off' button and had the remote for every other operational function.
Her body language to the Old Man does suggest sarcastically "What, you think I can turn off the Robo monster with just this remote?"
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Maybe Faxx just didn't program in an 'on/off' button and had the remote for every other operational function.
Her body language to the Old Man does suggest sarcastically "What, you think I can turn off the Robo monster with just this remote?"
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[Stan The Man]

I think Edd said it really - It's a simple explanation that works fine. Though what artu and Archive have stated works as well - Cain has now gained 'control' over the machine as Robo/Murphy did and thus is able to fight or bypass any shut down/standby/'sleep' commands. The detail about being disarmed isn't big to me, it's needed narrative wise to build that suspense as said.

I'll add to Edd's suggestion of no simple 'shut down' button by noting the following - Remember the control panel for ED seemed to have had no hard shutdown or signal cutoff switch/etc and they literally had to tear out the wires which presumably powered the panel (which evidently was controlling ED remotely).

Likewise Robo had no simple remote 'shut off' button either (at least not initially - he would have one later in the Series though) so I assume it's a bit of a deal to 'turn off' Robo/Ed/Cain/etc than can be done with just with a button, the other 'humanity taking over' stuff notwithstanding.
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I think Edd said it really - It's a simple explanation that works fine. Though what artu and Archive have stated works as well - Cain has now gained 'control' over the machine as Robo/Murphy did and thus is able to fight or bypass any shut down/standby/'sleep' commands. The detail about being disarmed isn't big to me, it's needed narrative wise to build that suspense as said.

I'll add to Edd's suggestion of no simple 'shut down' button by noting the following - Remember the control panel for ED seemed to have had no hard shutdown or signal cutoff switch/etc and they literally had to tear out the wires which presumably powered the panel (which evidently was controlling ED remotely).

Likewise Robo had no simple remote 'shut off' button either (at least not initially - he would have one later in the Series though) so I assume it's a bit of a deal to 'turn off' Robo/Ed/Cain/etc than can be done with just with a button, the other 'humanity taking over' stuff notwithstanding.
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I think Edd said it really - It's a simple explanation that works fine. Though what artu and Archive have stated works as well - Cain has now gained 'control' over the machine as Robo/Murphy did and thus is able to fight or bypass any shut down/standby/'sleep' commands. The detail about being disarmed isn't big to me, it's needed narrative wise to build that suspense as said.

I'll add to Edd's suggestion of no simple 'shut down' button by noting the following - Remember the control panel for ED seemed to have had no hard shutdown or signal cutoff switch/etc and they literally had to tear out the wires which presumably powered the panel (which evidently was controlling ED remotely).

Likewise Robo had no simple remote 'shut off' button either (at least not initially - he would have one later in the Series though) so I assume it's a bit of a deal to 'turn off' Robo/Ed/Cain/etc than can be done with just with a button, the other 'humanity taking over' stuff notwithstanding.
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I think Edd said it really - It's a simple explanation that works fine. Though what artu and Archive have stated works as well - Cain has now gained 'control' over the machine as Robo/Murphy did and thus is able to fight or bypass any shut down/standby/'sleep' commands. The detail about being disarmed isn't big to me, it's needed narrative wise to build that suspense as said.

I'll add to Edd's suggestion of no simple 'shut down' button by noting the following - Remember the control panel for ED seemed to have had no hard shutdown or signal cutoff switch/etc and they literally had to tear out the wires which presumably powered the panel (which evidently was controlling ED remotely).

Likewise Robo had no simple remote 'shut off' button either (at least not initially - he would have one later in the Series though) so I assume it's a bit of a deal to 'turn off' Robo/Ed/Cain/etc than can be done with just with a button, the other 'humanity taking over' stuff notwithstanding.
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[Edd 209]

Yeah, and to think Ed is all droid would be easier to have a shut off switch, whereas Robo (except for breaching directive 4) and Cain having human elements would not be so 'ethical' to have an 'off' button.

But I think it lends itsself to the Verhoeven humour of them ripping at the cables in Ed's control deck in the Board Room in an effort to turn him off - very funny!
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Yeah, and to think Ed is all droid would be easier to have a shut off switch, whereas Robo (except for breaching directive 4) and Cain having human elements would not be so 'ethical' to have an 'off' button.

But I think it lends itsself to the Verhoeven humour of them ripping at the cables in Ed's control deck in the Board Room in an effort to turn him off - very funny!
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Yeah, and to think Ed is all droid would be easier to have a shut off switch, whereas Robo (except for breaching directive 4) and Cain having human elements would not be so 'ethical' to have an 'off' button.

But I think it lends itsself to the Verhoeven humour of them ripping at the cables in Ed's control deck in the Board Room in an effort to turn him off - very funny!
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Yeah, and to think Ed is all droid would be easier to have a shut off switch, whereas Robo (except for breaching directive 4) and Cain having human elements would not be so 'ethical' to have an 'off' button.

But I think it lends itsself to the Verhoeven humour of them ripping at the cables in Ed's control deck in the Board Room in an effort to turn him off - very funny!
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[Edd 209]

I like the way it doesn't talk.kind of makes me realize how Cain is now trapped inside the robot with no way out. Can't touch physically, cant talk, controlled by Faxx to a point, can only get nuke if he behaves... I guess it adds to the horror of what has become of him. I think not talking even frustrated Cain when he couldn't communicate with Angie before killing her (still don't quite understand his reason there but maybe that is part of it?).

I guess this is the total opposite of his human side being in control of his nuke cult and having the drug whenever he likes.
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I like the way it doesn't talk.kind of makes me realize how Cain is now trapped inside the robot with no way out. Can't touch physically, cant talk, controlled by Faxx to a point, can only get nuke if he behaves... I guess it adds to the horror of what has become of him. I think not talking even frustrated Cain when he couldn't communicate with Angie before killing her (still don't quite understand his reason there but maybe that is part of it?).

I guess this is the total opposite of his human side being in control of his nuke cult and having the drug whenever he likes.
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I like the way it doesn't talk.kind of makes me realize how Cain is now trapped inside the robot with no way out. Can't touch physically, cant talk, controlled by Faxx to a point, can only get nuke if he behaves... I guess it adds to the horror of what has become of him. I think not talking even frustrated Cain when he couldn't communicate with Angie before killing her (still don't quite understand his reason there but maybe that is part of it?).

I guess this is the total opposite of his human side being in control of his nuke cult and having the drug whenever he likes.
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I like the way it doesn't talk.kind of makes me realize how Cain is now trapped inside the robot with no way out. Can't touch physically, cant talk, controlled by Faxx to a point, can only get nuke if he behaves... I guess it adds to the horror of what has become of him. I think not talking even frustrated Cain when he couldn't communicate with Angie before killing her (still don't quite understand his reason there but maybe that is part of it?).

I guess this is the total opposite of his human side being in control of his nuke cult and having the drug whenever he likes.
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