"Your husband is dead. I don't know you."

[NOF]

I think we can all agree that this is a heart wrenching scene, but it's always bothered me how we get this scene and noting to do with it afterwards.

However, if we look at how it is depicted in the Avatar series, it happens after the dismantling. Here, Ellen is remarried and pregnant.



For me, this would be a much more powerful scene due to it occurring during Robo's darkest hour, would firmly conclude this angle and would also explain why Robo gives into Faxx's reprogramming so easily.

Thoughts?

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I think we can all agree that this is a heart wrenching scene, but it's always bothered me how we get this scene and noting to do with it afterwards.

However, if we look at how it is depicted in the Avatar series, it happens after the dismantling. Here, Ellen is remarried and pregnant.



For me, this would be a much more powerful scene due to it occurring during Robo's darkest hour, would firmly conclude this angle and would also explain why Robo gives into Faxx's reprogramming so easily.

Thoughts?

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I think we can all agree that this is a heart wrenching scene, but it's always bothered me how we get this scene and noting to do with it afterwards.

However, if we look at how it is depicted in the Avatar series, it happens after the dismantling. Here, Ellen is remarried and pregnant.



For me, this would be a much more powerful scene due to it occurring during Robo's darkest hour, would firmly conclude this angle and would also explain why Robo gives into Faxx's reprogramming so easily.

Thoughts?

[Comment]

I think we can all agree that this is a heart wrenching scene, but it's always bothered me how we get this scene and noting to do with it afterwards.

However, if we look at how it is depicted in the Avatar series, it happens after the dismantling. Here, Ellen is remarried and pregnant.



For me, this would be a much more powerful scene due to it occurring during Robo's darkest hour, would firmly conclude this angle and would also explain why Robo gives into Faxx's reprogramming so easily.

Thoughts?

[Stan The Man]

While I'm not so sure that would have been the best way to play it (Especially how the comic shows it).. I agree it would be better than not playing on it whatsoever - Which I concur is also bothersome, indeed is one of R2's biggest failures story-wise. As Glenn Orr wrote on the site many eons ago..

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While I'm not so sure that would have been the best way to play it (Especially how the comic shows it).. I agree it would be better than not playing on it whatsoever - Which I concur is also bothersome, indeed is one of R2's biggest failures story-wise. As Glenn Orr wrote on the site many eons ago..

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While I'm not so sure that would have been the best way to play it (Especially how the comic shows it).. I agree it would be better than not playing on it whatsoever - Which I concur is also bothersome, indeed is one of R2's biggest failures story-wise. As Glenn Orr wrote on the site many eons ago..

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While I'm not so sure that would have been the best way to play it (Especially how the comic shows it).. I agree it would be better than not playing on it whatsoever - Which I concur is also bothersome, indeed is one of R2's biggest failures story-wise. As Glenn Orr wrote on the site many eons ago..

[KidGoesWild]

Im in the minority but I just dont see what else could have been done after this. This was his closure, this was his decision to let go of his family and alienate them. Thats it. As the deleted scene showed, he visited his grave afterwards and said goodbye to his past

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Im in the minority but I just dont see what else could have been done after this. This was his closure, this was his decision to let go of his family and alienate them. Thats it. As the deleted scene showed, he visited his grave afterwards and said goodbye to his past

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Im in the minority but I just dont see what else could have been done after this. This was his closure, this was his decision to let go of his family and alienate them. Thats it. As the deleted scene showed, he visited his grave afterwards and said goodbye to his past

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Im in the minority but I just dont see what else could have been done after this. This was his closure, this was his decision to let go of his family and alienate them. Thats it. As the deleted scene showed, he visited his grave afterwards and said goodbye to his past

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[RoboJOF]

I never liked that scene. It seemed to be a cheap way of injecting the movie with materialism and the corporation's cold legal justifications as an obstacle that the hero must overcome but he never does. Yes, Murphy is nobly protecting his family from harm and regret, but I reverses all his progress coming to terms with life after becoming a cyborg that helps him finish his revenge in RoboCop 1.
I think I would have rather had a scene in RoboCop 2 where someone tries to get Murphy to go to this reunion, only to have him avoid it for some reason, and then perhaps in the patrol car on the way to the arcade where he and Lewis beat up Officer Duffy, have RoboCop and Lewis talking in the squad car about it. RoboCop could reveal to her, his partner and friend (although RoboCop 2 does nothing to show they even have a relationship with each other, another step backward from the RoboCop 1 progress), that he is afraid to face them, that he is frustrated about what they would say, and about what he would say to them. Maybe after the heart to heart with Lewis, he may come to the conclusion that he isn't ready or maybe that it won't work at all, but coming to that conclusion preserves his humanity. People aren't perfect and neither is he.
Sure it dodges the issue for the next writer/director to flesh out, but even that would dovetail into the death scene with Hobb and the RoboCop 3 character relationship with the young girl in a much more interesting way.
Maybe RoboCop never finds the answer to this problem, but the fact that he thinks about it, and struggles with it, makes him more human than he got to be in RoboCop 2.

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I never liked that scene. It seemed to be a cheap way of injecting the movie with materialism and the corporation's cold legal justifications as an obstacle that the hero must overcome but he never does. Yes, Murphy is nobly protecting his family from harm and regret, but I reverses all his progress coming to terms with life after becoming a cyborg that helps him finish his revenge in RoboCop 1.
I think I would have rather had a scene in RoboCop 2 where someone tries to get Murphy to go to this reunion, only to have him avoid it for some reason, and then perhaps in the patrol car on the way to the arcade where he and Lewis beat up Officer Duffy, have RoboCop and Lewis talking in the squad car about it. RoboCop could reveal to her, his partner and friend (although RoboCop 2 does nothing to show they even have a relationship with each other, another step backward from the RoboCop 1 progress), that he is afraid to face them, that he is frustrated about what they would say, and about what he would say to them. Maybe after the heart to heart with Lewis, he may come to the conclusion that he isn't ready or maybe that it won't work at all, but coming to that conclusion preserves his humanity. People aren't perfect and neither is he.
Sure it dodges the issue for the next writer/director to flesh out, but even that would dovetail into the death scene with Hobb and the RoboCop 3 character relationship with the young girl in a much more interesting way.
Maybe RoboCop never finds the answer to this problem, but the fact that he thinks about it, and struggles with it, makes him more human than he got to be in RoboCop 2.

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I never liked that scene. It seemed to be a cheap way of injecting the movie with materialism and the corporation's cold legal justifications as an obstacle that the hero must overcome but he never does. Yes, Murphy is nobly protecting his family from harm and regret, but I reverses all his progress coming to terms with life after becoming a cyborg that helps him finish his revenge in RoboCop 1.
I think I would have rather had a scene in RoboCop 2 where someone tries to get Murphy to go to this reunion, only to have him avoid it for some reason, and then perhaps in the patrol car on the way to the arcade where he and Lewis beat up Officer Duffy, have RoboCop and Lewis talking in the squad car about it. RoboCop could reveal to her, his partner and friend (although RoboCop 2 does nothing to show they even have a relationship with each other, another step backward from the RoboCop 1 progress), that he is afraid to face them, that he is frustrated about what they would say, and about what he would say to them. Maybe after the heart to heart with Lewis, he may come to the conclusion that he isn't ready or maybe that it won't work at all, but coming to that conclusion preserves his humanity. People aren't perfect and neither is he.
Sure it dodges the issue for the next writer/director to flesh out, but even that would dovetail into the death scene with Hobb and the RoboCop 3 character relationship with the young girl in a much more interesting way.
Maybe RoboCop never finds the answer to this problem, but the fact that he thinks about it, and struggles with it, makes him more human than he got to be in RoboCop 2.

[Comment]

I never liked that scene. It seemed to be a cheap way of injecting the movie with materialism and the corporation's cold legal justifications as an obstacle that the hero must overcome but he never does. Yes, Murphy is nobly protecting his family from harm and regret, but I reverses all his progress coming to terms with life after becoming a cyborg that helps him finish his revenge in RoboCop 1.
I think I would have rather had a scene in RoboCop 2 where someone tries to get Murphy to go to this reunion, only to have him avoid it for some reason, and then perhaps in the patrol car on the way to the arcade where he and Lewis beat up Officer Duffy, have RoboCop and Lewis talking in the squad car about it. RoboCop could reveal to her, his partner and friend (although RoboCop 2 does nothing to show they even have a relationship with each other, another step backward from the RoboCop 1 progress), that he is afraid to face them, that he is frustrated about what they would say, and about what he would say to them. Maybe after the heart to heart with Lewis, he may come to the conclusion that he isn't ready or maybe that it won't work at all, but coming to that conclusion preserves his humanity. People aren't perfect and neither is he.
Sure it dodges the issue for the next writer/director to flesh out, but even that would dovetail into the death scene with Hobb and the RoboCop 3 character relationship with the young girl in a much more interesting way.
Maybe RoboCop never finds the answer to this problem, but the fact that he thinks about it, and struggles with it, makes him more human than he got to be in RoboCop 2.

[artuditu]

As sad and frustrating as I found it back in the day, I think it is the natural outcome, as we saw how the Robodad plotline is even more frustrating in the reboot film.

I think the stalking bit is super interesting, but that and the encounter with Ellen is the first stone to Murphy's journey in R2: dealing with depression.

For years now that is how I have interpreted R2 story arc, he is still mourning and trying to accept that his past life is no more, so he focuses on his new purpose (work or being a superhero) and Cain becomes his obsession.

The dismemberment by torture is a reality slap, it is failure and a reminder that he is not invincible (similar to Dick Jones & ED-209 encounter in R1, but much earlier in the movie), and his whole reprogramming could be seen as an allegory of going to therapy or rehab and being put on prozac.

This is one of the reasons why, despite its flaws, I am still a big time fan of R2 as a sequel and an appreciator of what Frank Miller tried to achieve. He contributed to further Robo's character journey as no other media has achieved again, and that deserves credit.

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As sad and frustrating as I found it back in the day, I think it is the natural outcome, as we saw how the Robodad plotline is even more frustrating in the reboot film.

I think the stalking bit is super interesting, but that and the encounter with Ellen is the first stone to Murphy's journey in R2: dealing with depression.

For years now that is how I have interpreted R2 story arc, he is still mourning and trying to accept that his past life is no more, so he focuses on his new purpose (work or being a superhero) and Cain becomes his obsession.

The dismemberment by torture is a reality slap, it is failure and a reminder that he is not invincible (similar to Dick Jones & ED-209 encounter in R1, but much earlier in the movie), and his whole reprogramming could be seen as an allegory of going to therapy or rehab and being put on prozac.

This is one of the reasons why, despite its flaws, I am still a big time fan of R2 as a sequel and an appreciator of what Frank Miller tried to achieve. He contributed to further Robo's character journey as no other media has achieved again, and that deserves credit.

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As sad and frustrating as I found it back in the day, I think it is the natural outcome, as we saw how the Robodad plotline is even more frustrating in the reboot film.

I think the stalking bit is super interesting, but that and the encounter with Ellen is the first stone to Murphy's journey in R2: dealing with depression.

For years now that is how I have interpreted R2 story arc, he is still mourning and trying to accept that his past life is no more, so he focuses on his new purpose (work or being a superhero) and Cain becomes his obsession.

The dismemberment by torture is a reality slap, it is failure and a reminder that he is not invincible (similar to Dick Jones & ED-209 encounter in R1, but much earlier in the movie), and his whole reprogramming could be seen as an allegory of going to therapy or rehab and being put on prozac.

This is one of the reasons why, despite its flaws, I am still a big time fan of R2 as a sequel and an appreciator of what Frank Miller tried to achieve. He contributed to further Robo's character journey as no other media has achieved again, and that deserves credit.

[Comment]

As sad and frustrating as I found it back in the day, I think it is the natural outcome, as we saw how the Robodad plotline is even more frustrating in the reboot film.

I think the stalking bit is super interesting, but that and the encounter with Ellen is the first stone to Murphy's journey in R2: dealing with depression.

For years now that is how I have interpreted R2 story arc, he is still mourning and trying to accept that his past life is no more, so he focuses on his new purpose (work or being a superhero) and Cain becomes his obsession.

The dismemberment by torture is a reality slap, it is failure and a reminder that he is not invincible (similar to Dick Jones & ED-209 encounter in R1, but much earlier in the movie), and his whole reprogramming could be seen as an allegory of going to therapy or rehab and being put on prozac.

This is one of the reasons why, despite its flaws, I am still a big time fan of R2 as a sequel and an appreciator of what Frank Miller tried to achieve. He contributed to further Robo's character journey as no other media has achieved again, and that deserves credit.

[RoboJOF]

I was just thinking about how the Frank Miller reunion scene in the comic takes place when Robo is disassembled. Unlike the movie, there's a certain helplessness that comes out of that image. What is RoboCop going to do? He's been torn apart physically and now he gets this bombshell about his wife. I think I like this presentation better than the scene we got in the movie. Here RoboCop is a cyborg talking to his wife, but putting on a strong face despite the fact that he could just blurt out, "I know who I am!" Instead he tries to be the strong one and protect her from further sadness, but she leaves not really believing it anyway. In the next scene with RoboCop watching her argue with the lawyer before leaving, he looks like he doesn't believe in what he has done even if it might be for the best. He wants to be whole again, but has to give up on that part of himself.
Seeing his rivalry with Cain as a way of burying himself in his work is a good way to explain why the movie never returns to this conflict, but most would probably suspect that no one really knew what to do with it anyway. It is not satisfying to me to see it just move on without resolution or without any acknowledgement of it by the characters. I still feel that the scene needs to be there, I just wish that there was more to it.

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I was just thinking about how the Frank Miller reunion scene in the comic takes place when Robo is disassembled. Unlike the movie, there's a certain helplessness that comes out of that image. What is RoboCop going to do? He's been torn apart physically and now he gets this bombshell about his wife. I think I like this presentation better than the scene we got in the movie. Here RoboCop is a cyborg talking to his wife, but putting on a strong face despite the fact that he could just blurt out, "I know who I am!" Instead he tries to be the strong one and protect her from further sadness, but she leaves not really believing it anyway. In the next scene with RoboCop watching her argue with the lawyer before leaving, he looks like he doesn't believe in what he has done even if it might be for the best. He wants to be whole again, but has to give up on that part of himself.
Seeing his rivalry with Cain as a way of burying himself in his work is a good way to explain why the movie never returns to this conflict, but most would probably suspect that no one really knew what to do with it anyway. It is not satisfying to me to see it just move on without resolution or without any acknowledgement of it by the characters. I still feel that the scene needs to be there, I just wish that there was more to it.

[Post Count]

I was just thinking about how the Frank Miller reunion scene in the comic takes place when Robo is disassembled. Unlike the movie, there's a certain helplessness that comes out of that image. What is RoboCop going to do? He's been torn apart physically and now he gets this bombshell about his wife. I think I like this presentation better than the scene we got in the movie. Here RoboCop is a cyborg talking to his wife, but putting on a strong face despite the fact that he could just blurt out, "I know who I am!" Instead he tries to be the strong one and protect her from further sadness, but she leaves not really believing it anyway. In the next scene with RoboCop watching her argue with the lawyer before leaving, he looks like he doesn't believe in what he has done even if it might be for the best. He wants to be whole again, but has to give up on that part of himself.
Seeing his rivalry with Cain as a way of burying himself in his work is a good way to explain why the movie never returns to this conflict, but most would probably suspect that no one really knew what to do with it anyway. It is not satisfying to me to see it just move on without resolution or without any acknowledgement of it by the characters. I still feel that the scene needs to be there, I just wish that there was more to it.

[Comment]

I was just thinking about how the Frank Miller reunion scene in the comic takes place when Robo is disassembled. Unlike the movie, there's a certain helplessness that comes out of that image. What is RoboCop going to do? He's been torn apart physically and now he gets this bombshell about his wife. I think I like this presentation better than the scene we got in the movie. Here RoboCop is a cyborg talking to his wife, but putting on a strong face despite the fact that he could just blurt out, "I know who I am!" Instead he tries to be the strong one and protect her from further sadness, but she leaves not really believing it anyway. In the next scene with RoboCop watching her argue with the lawyer before leaving, he looks like he doesn't believe in what he has done even if it might be for the best. He wants to be whole again, but has to give up on that part of himself.
Seeing his rivalry with Cain as a way of burying himself in his work is a good way to explain why the movie never returns to this conflict, but most would probably suspect that no one really knew what to do with it anyway. It is not satisfying to me to see it just move on without resolution or without any acknowledgement of it by the characters. I still feel that the scene needs to be there, I just wish that there was more to it.

[NOF]

Personally, I think the scene above works on a few levels:

- it gives ample reason for Murphy to fall trap to the reprogramming (him being dismantled, the finality of Ellen moving on and being pregnant)
- it acts as the full stop on their relationship. Where else can you go with it?
- having it take place after the dismantling adds greater poignancy and pathos to his predicament.
- it's a chance to do some deep exploration of Murphy's psyche.

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Personally, I think the scene above works on a few levels:

- it gives ample reason for Murphy to fall trap to the reprogramming (him being dismantled, the finality of Ellen moving on and being pregnant)
- it acts as the full stop on their relationship. Where else can you go with it?
- having it take place after the dismantling adds greater poignancy and pathos to his predicament.
- it's a chance to do some deep exploration of Murphy's psyche.

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Personally, I think the scene above works on a few levels:

- it gives ample reason for Murphy to fall trap to the reprogramming (him being dismantled, the finality of Ellen moving on and being pregnant)
- it acts as the full stop on their relationship. Where else can you go with it?
- having it take place after the dismantling adds greater poignancy and pathos to his predicament.
- it's a chance to do some deep exploration of Murphy's psyche.

[Comment]

Personally, I think the scene above works on a few levels:

- it gives ample reason for Murphy to fall trap to the reprogramming (him being dismantled, the finality of Ellen moving on and being pregnant)
- it acts as the full stop on their relationship. Where else can you go with it?
- having it take place after the dismantling adds greater poignancy and pathos to his predicament.
- it's a chance to do some deep exploration of Murphy's psyche.

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[RoboLewis]

I always think about “What If” questions when it comes to the Robocop movies. I’ve wondered what if Murphy acknowledged his wife in R2 and tells her that he still remembers her. Would he have had a relationship with his family like he did in the Robocop 2014 film? Or would his family come around often like in the tv series. I know he didn’t tell him who he was on the show, but he was always there to look after his family.

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I always think about “What If” questions when it comes to the Robocop movies. I’ve wondered what if Murphy acknowledged his wife in R2 and tells her that he still remembers her. Would he have had a relationship with his family like he did in the Robocop 2014 film? Or would his family come around often like in the tv series. I know he didn’t tell him who he was on the show, but he was always there to look after his family.

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I always think about “What If” questions when it comes to the Robocop movies. I’ve wondered what if Murphy acknowledged his wife in R2 and tells her that he still remembers her. Would he have had a relationship with his family like he did in the Robocop 2014 film? Or would his family come around often like in the tv series. I know he didn’t tell him who he was on the show, but he was always there to look after his family.

[Archive]

The Robo in the remake was much more human and could have a normal conversation, unlike the robotic Robo of the originals. It would have been interesting to see but a family dinner would probably have been very awkward.

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The Robo in the remake was much more human and could have a normal conversation, unlike the robotic Robo of the originals. It would have been interesting to see but a family dinner would probably have been very awkward.

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The Robo in the remake was much more human and could have a normal conversation, unlike the robotic Robo of the originals. It would have been interesting to see but a family dinner would probably have been very awkward.

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[RoboLewis]

I’ve often wondered about Murphy’s son Jimmy and how would he feel if he knew his dad was Robocop. Would he be horrified or would he think it’s cool to have a dad who’s a real life super hero?

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I’ve often wondered about Murphy’s son Jimmy and how would he feel if he knew his dad was Robocop. Would he be horrified or would he think it’s cool to have a dad who’s a real life super hero?

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I’ve often wondered about Murphy’s son Jimmy and how would he feel if he knew his dad was Robocop. Would he be horrified or would he think it’s cool to have a dad who’s a real life super hero?